Find fourth order differential equation

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The discussion revolves around finding a fourth order homogeneous differential equation with constant coefficients, given a specific solution involving exponential and trigonometric functions. Participants explore the implications of the solution's form and its derivatives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss taking derivatives of the given solution and organizing coefficients into a matrix. Some suggest using complex exponentials to simplify the trigonometric components. Others consider the characteristic equation related to the roots derived from the solution.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, including the use of Euler's formula and the formulation of the characteristic equation. Participants are sharing insights and clarifications, with some expressing confusion over the complexity of the methods discussed.

Contextual Notes

One participant notes a potential typo in the derived equation, indicating a need for careful verification of the coefficients involved. The discussion reflects varying levels of comfort with the mathematical concepts being applied.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that a fourth order differential equation has a solution y=-9e^(3x)xcos(x).

a. Find such differential equation, assuming that it is homogeneous and has constant coefficients.

b. Find the general solution to this differential equation. x is the independent variable.

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to find the derivatives of y (y',y'',y''',y'''').
Then, I placed unknown constants (c1, c2, c3, c4, c5) on each order and made a matrix with each row having coefficients from values containing e^(3x)cosx, e^(3x)xcosx, e^(3x)sinx, and e^(3x)xsinx. I made the columns all have the same order (such as all values from y'' on one column). I also made c1=1 since otherwise the matrix becomes 4*5 and that cannot be solved for the unknown constants. However, this did not work out.

I would sincerely appreciate your help. I mean, I can do those functions that have y=e^rx and y=cos(x), but combination of these makes my head ache.
 
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Have you tried writing cos (x) in terms of complex exponentials?
 
Think about what the solution whose DE had this characteristic equation$$
(r-a)^2+b^2=0$$would be.
 
kk1995 said:

Homework Statement


Suppose that a fourth order differential equation has a solution y=-9e^(3x)xcos(x).

a. Find such differential equation, assuming that it is homogeneous and has constant coefficients.

b. Find the general solution to this differential equation. x is the independent variable.

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to find the derivatives of y (y',y'',y''',y'''').
Then, I placed unknown constants (c1, c2, c3, c4, c5) on each order and made a matrix with each row having coefficients from values containing e^(3x)cosx, e^(3x)xcosx, e^(3x)sinx, and e^(3x)xsinx.
Great! Or course, in order to have e^{3x}cos(x) and e^{3x}sin(x) as solutions, the characteristic equation must have roots 3+ i and 3- i and so must have (x- 3- i) and (x- 3+ i) as factors. In order to have each of those times x as solutions, those must be double roots so the characteristic equation must be of the form (x- 3- i)^2(x- 3+ i)^2= [(x- 3- i)(x- 3+ i)]^2=[(x- 3)^2+ 1]^2= (x^2- 6x+ 10)^2= x^4- 12x^3+ 56x^2- 12x+ 100.

You can get the differential equation itself from that.

I made the columns all have the same order (such as all values from y'' on one column). I also made c1=1 since otherwise the matrix becomes 4*5 and that cannot be solved for the unknown constants. However, this did not work out.

I would sincerely appreciate your help. I mean, I can do those functions that have y=e^rx and y=cos(x), but combination of these makes my head ache.
"columns"? "matrix"? Too advanced for me!
 
Thank you all for your replies. All of your replies really helped. The first two replies led me to Euler's formula, while the third one by HallsofIvy led the rest of the problem from the point of getting the values of r using Euler's formula. Note: the -12x should be -120x for the answer, just a point out at a typo. :)
 

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