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The discussion revolves around calculating probabilities involving events A and B, specifically focusing on finding P(Not A | Not A or Not B). The original poster presents initial probabilities and attempts to express the problem using formal notation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to express the conditional probability using set notation and seeks clarification on how to calculate P(Not A and (Not A or Not B)). Other participants suggest using formal notation and distributive laws to simplify the expressions.

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Participants are engaged in exploring the mathematical properties of set operations and how they apply to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of distributive laws and simplification techniques, but there is no explicit consensus on the final approach yet.

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There is a noted difficulty in expressing set operations correctly in the forum format, which may affect clarity in communication. The original poster and others are navigating the complexities of probability notation and set theory.

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Homework Statement


P(A) = 0.3
P(B) = 0.5
P (A and B) = 0.2

Find P (Not A, given not A or/and not B)?

The Attempt at a Solution


So I think
P (Not A, given not A or/and not B)=
P (Not A and (Not A or/and Not B)) / P (Not A or/and Not B)

Is this correct? But I don't understand how to calculate P (Not A and (Not A or/and Not B)). Could someone help with this part?
 
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What you have done so far is correct. To make further progress, it's easier to see what is going on if you use more formal notation.

"not A or/and not B" is better known as

[tex]\overline{A} \cup \overline{B}[/tex]

There is an elementary property that you can use to express this in terms of

[tex]A \cap B[/tex]

That will take care of the denominator. For the numerator,

"not A and (not A or/and not B)"

is more formally written as

[tex]\overline{A} \cap (\overline{A} \cup \overline{B})[/tex]

What sort of distributive laws do you know that will allow you to simplify this?
 
Hi, yeah I didn't know how to write those signs on the forums..

So, could this expression (Not A and (Not A or/and Not B)) then be simplified to (Not A and Not A) and ( Not A and Not B)? This part is what I don't understand..
 
brorsonyao said:
Hi, yeah I didn't know how to write those signs on the forums..

So, could this expression (Not A and (Not A or/and Not B)) then be simplified to (Not A and Not A) and ( Not A and Not B)? This part is what I don't understand..

That's not quite right. The distributive property for sets works like the distributive property for arithmetic. For numbers x, y, and z, you have

[tex]x*(y+z) = (x*y) + (x*z)[/tex]

and analogously if A, B, and C are sets,

[tex]A \cap (B \cup C) = (A \cap B) \cup (A \cap C)[/tex]

Unlike the arithmetic distributive law, which is false if you interchange the * and + symbols, the set distributive law is true if you switch the [itex]\cap[/itex] and [itex]\cup[/itex]:

[tex]A \cup (B \cap C) = (A \cup B) \cap (A \cup C)[/tex]

So in your case, you can write

[tex]\overline{A} \cap (\overline{A} \cup \overline{B}) = (\overline{A} \cap \overline{A}) \cup (\overline{A} \cap \overline{B})[/tex]

which can be further simplified from here. Hint: first simplify [tex](\overline{A} \cap \overline{A})[/tex], then apply the appropriate distributive property.

There's also a quicker way to simplify [tex]\overline{A} \cap (\overline{A} \cup \overline{B})[/tex] without using the distributive law, if you recognize that [tex](\overline{A} \cap \overline{B})[/tex] is a set which contains [tex]\overline{A}[/tex] as a subset. But even if you don't notice this shortcut, you will get the same answer either way.

P.S. If you want to learn how to typeset an equation in these forums, you can click on any equation in anyone's message and a popup window will show you exactly what to type.
 

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