Probability Theory, work check

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem involving drawing cards from a standard deck. Specifically, participants are examining the probability of drawing at least two kings given that at least one king has been drawn from a hand of five cards dealt from a 52-card deck.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of probabilities related to drawing kings, including the use of conditional probability and the definitions of events A and B. There are attempts to compute the probabilities of drawing zero, one, and at least two kings, with some participants questioning the efficiency of the original calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants express agreement with the calculations presented, while others suggest alternative methods that may yield quicker results. There is a recognition of the importance of maintaining significant figures in calculations to avoid errors, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without a definitive consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for "subtractive error magnification" in probability calculations, emphasizing the need for careful numerical handling in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Hi all, could someone give my working a quick skim to see if it checks out? Many thanks in advance.

Suppose that 5 cards are dealt from a 52-card deck. What is the probability of drawing at least two kings given that there is at least one king?

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The Attempt at a Solution



Let ##B## denote the event that at least 2 kings are drawn, and ##A## the event that at least 1 king is drawn. Because ##B## is a strict subset of ##A##,
$$P(B|A) = P(A \cap B)/P(A) = P(B)/P(A)$$
Compute ##P(A)##, ##P(A^c )## denotes the probability of not drawing a single king.
$$P(A) = 1 - P(A^c) = 1 - \frac{48 \choose 5}{52 \choose 5} \approx 1 - 0.6588$$
Compute ##P(B)##, ##P(B^c)## denotes the probability of not drawing at least 2 kings, which is the sum of probabilities of drawing 1 king ##P(1)## and the probability of not drawing a single king ##P(A^c)##.
$$P(B) = 1 - P(B^c) = 1 - (P(1) - P(A^c))$$
$$P(1) = \frac{5 \times {4\choose 1} \times 48 \times 47 \times 46 \times 45 }{52 \times 51 \times 50 \times 49 \times 48} \approx 0.299$$
where the numerator is the number of ways one can have a hand of 5 containing a single king.
$$P(B) \approx 1 - (0.299 + 0.6588) \approx 0.0422$$
finally,
$$P(B|A) = P(B)/P(A) = 0.0422 / (1-0.6588) \approx 0.1237$$

I'm pretty sure that there is a quicker way to do all of this even if my work checks out, I'd appreciate if someone could demonstrate a more efficient calculation!
 
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I agree with how you have calculated it. I get 0.1222.
 
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I get the same answer as @verty.

The way I looked at it was:

## p = \frac{1 - p_0 - p_1}{1-p_0} = 1 - \frac{p_1}{1-p_0}##

Where ##p_n## is The probability of drawing exactly ##n## kings.
 
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WWCY said:

Homework Statement


Hi all, could someone give my working a quick skim to see if it checks out? Many thanks in advance.

Suppose that 5 cards are dealt from a 52-card deck. What is the probability of drawing at least two kings given that there is at least one king?

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



Let ##B## denote the event that at least 2 kings are drawn, and ##A## the event that at least 1 king is drawn. Because ##B## is a strict subset of ##A##,
$$P(B|A) = P(A \cap B)/P(A) = P(B)/P(A)$$
Compute ##P(A)##, ##P(A^c )## denotes the probability of not drawing a single king.
$$P(A) = 1 - P(A^c) = 1 - \frac{48 \choose 5}{52 \choose 5} \approx 1 - 0.6588$$
Compute ##P(B)##, ##P(B^c)## denotes the probability of not drawing at least 2 kings, which is the sum of probabilities of drawing 1 king ##P(1)## and the probability of not drawing a single king ##P(A^c)##.
$$P(B) = 1 - P(B^c) = 1 - (P(1) - P(A^c))$$
$$P(1) = \frac{5 \times {4\choose 1} \times 48 \times 47 \times 46 \times 45 }{52 \times 51 \times 50 \times 49 \times 48} \approx 0.299$$
where the numerator is the number of ways one can have a hand of 5 containing a single king.
$$P(B) \approx 1 - (0.299 + 0.6588) \approx 0.0422$$
finally,
$$P(B|A) = P(B)/P(A) = 0.0422 / (1-0.6588) \approx 0.1237$$

I'm pretty sure that there is a quicker way to do all of this even if my work checks out, I'd appreciate if someone could demonstrate a more efficient calculation!

Your method is OK. The method of Perok in #3 is faster. However, I have one quibble: you ought to keep more significant figures when doing calculations that involve subtractions, so as to avoid "subtractive error magnification". In your case you do not do too badly, getting 0.1237 instead of 2257/18472 ≈ 0.12218, but the general principle still holds. (In some problems subtractive error magnification can lead to huge errors, perhaps even incorrect final signs, etc.)
 
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Your method is OK. The method of Perok in #3 is faster. However, I have one quibble: you ought to keep more significant figures when doing calculations that involve subtractions, so as to avoid "subtractive error magnification". In your case you do not do too badly, getting 0.1237 instead of 2257/18472 ≈ 0.12218, but the general principle still holds. (In some problems subtractive error magnification can lead to huge errors, perhaps even incorrect final signs, etc.)

Ah okay, I'll keep that in mind the next time. Thanks!
 

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