Find limit of multi variable function

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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of a multivariable function as it approaches a specific point, particularly focusing on the behavior of the function near (1,0). The subject area includes concepts from calculus, specifically limits in multivariable contexts.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore different paths of approach to the limit, questioning the validity of certain inequalities and the implications of approaching the limit from various angles. Some participants suggest using polar coordinates to analyze the limit's dependence on the angle.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing various methods and perspectives on approaching the limit. There is recognition of the complexity involved in determining whether the limit exists, with some suggesting that multiple approaches may yield different results.

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Some participants express uncertainty about specific inequalities and the implications of their findings. There is a mention of the need to consider different paths of approach and the potential for varying limits based on those paths.

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Given the continuous function ##g\colon \mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}## so that ##g(1)=7##, consider the function defined in ##\mathbb{R}^{2}_{\backslash(1,0)}## by$$f(x,y)=\frac {g(x)(x-1)^2y}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}.$$

Say whether the limit ##\lim_ {(x,y) \rightarrow (1,0)} {f(x,y)}## exists.
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This is what I did: $$\lim_ {(x,y) \rightarrow (1,0)} {\frac {g(x)(x-1)^2y}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}}=\lim_ {(x,y) \rightarrow (1,0)} {g(x)y\frac {(x-1)^2}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}}$$ I know that ##\lim_ {(x,y) \rightarrow (1,0)} {g(x)y}=0## and that ##\frac {(x-1)^2}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}## is limited because ##0\leq (x-1)^2\leq 2(x-1)^4\leq 2(x-1)^4+y^2\Rightarrow 0 \leq\frac{(x-1)^2}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}\leq1##, so I concluded that the limit exists and it is 0.
I know this is wrong and I can understand that the limit cannot exist because if you calculate the limit for ##y=(x-1)^2## you get a solution different than 0. But I thought that having a function whose limit is 0 times a function that is limited was enough to conclude that the limit of their multiplication was 0. Is this wrong?
 
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I did not know that
$$(x-1)^2\leq 2(x-1)^4$$
did I miss something ?
 
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BvU said:
I did not know that
$$(x-1)^2\leq 2(x-1)^4$$
did I miss something ?
You're right! I totally forgot about the numbers between 0 and 1. Thanks for the help
 
Set x = 1 + r\cos \theta, y = r \sin \theta and consider the limit r \to 0. Does it depend on \theta?

EDIT This is not sufficient to conclude that the limit exists, as the example I give below shows.

Instead consider what happens if you approach (1,0) along the path (1 + t, At^2) for arbitrary A. If the limit exists, then the result should be independent of A.
 
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pasmith said:
Set x = 1 + r\cos \theta, y = r \sin \theta and consider the limit r \to 0. Does it depend on \theta?
It does. So if I have a two variable function and I want to calculate the limit for (x,y) to (0,0) I can just replace x and y with the polar coordinates and check whether it depends on \theta and if it does, there is no limit?
 
Maybe I shouldn't, but I'd suggest you consider 2 or more random paths of approach. If you get the same limit on both, the limit likely exists. Good if you're stuck in an exam with little time left. Easy choices: along ##y=x## along ##(0,y) ##or ##(x,0)##
 
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It does. So if I have a two variable function and I want to calculate the limit for (x,y) to (0,0) I can just replace x and y with the polar coordinates and check whether it depends on \theta and if it does, there is no limit?
Your missing one small detail given by @pasmith ; take the limit as ##r\to 0##. Then you see if that limit depends on ##\theta##, ...
 
WWGD said:
Maybe I shouldn't, but I'd suggest you consider 2 or more random paths of approach. If you get the same limit on both, the limit likely exists. Good if you're stuck in an exam with little time left. Easy choices: along ##y=x## along ##(0,y) ##or ##(x,0)##

Consider <br /> f(x,y) = \frac{xy}{x^2 + y}. Here approaching the origin along a straight line path we find <br /> \lim_{t \to 0} f(t\cos \theta,t\sin\theta) = \lim_{t\to 0} \frac{t\sin 2\theta}{2(t\cos^2 \theta + \sin \theta)} = 0. However, we also find that for C \neq 0 we have <br /> \lim_{t \to 0} f\left(t, \frac{Ct^2}{t-C}\right) = C. Hence \lim_{(x,y)\to(0,0)} f(x,y) does not exist: there are points arbitrarily close to the origin where f(x,y) = C for any C.
 
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@pasmith , not saying your method doesn't work, just offering a different approach, perspective.
 
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WWGD said:
@pasmith , not saying your method doesn't work, just offering a different approach, perspective.

My point is that "consider 2 or more random paths of approach. If you get the same limit on both, the limit likely exists" is not accurate.
 
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pasmith said:
My point is that "consider 2 or more random paths of approach. If you get the same limit on both, the limit likely exists" is not accurate.
" Likely"
It's a rule of thumb. Besides, the limits are different for ## C\neq 0 ##, which doesn't qualify for my rule ( of thumb)
 

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