Find limit of multi variable function

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Given the continuous function ##g\colon \mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}## so that ##g(1)=7##, consider the function defined in ##\mathbb{R}^{2}_{\backslash(1,0)}## by$$f(x,y)=\frac {g(x)(x-1)^2y}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}.$$

Say whether the limit ##\lim_ {(x,y) \rightarrow (1,0)} {f(x,y)}## exists.
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This is what I did: $$\lim_ {(x,y) \rightarrow (1,0)} {\frac {g(x)(x-1)^2y}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}}=\lim_ {(x,y) \rightarrow (1,0)} {g(x)y\frac {(x-1)^2}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}}$$ I know that ##\lim_ {(x,y) \rightarrow (1,0)} {g(x)y}=0## and that ##\frac {(x-1)^2}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}## is limited because ##0\leq (x-1)^2\leq 2(x-1)^4\leq 2(x-1)^4+y^2\Rightarrow 0 \leq\frac{(x-1)^2}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}\leq1##, so I concluded that the limit exists and it is 0.
I know this is wrong and I can understand that the limit cannot exist because if you calculate the limit for ##y=(x-1)^2## you get a solution different than 0. But I thought that having a function whose limit is 0 times a function that is limited was enough to conclude that the limit of their multiplication was 0. Is this wrong?
 
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I did not know that
$$(x-1)^2\leq 2(x-1)^4$$
did I miss something ?
 
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BvU said:
I did not know that
$$(x-1)^2\leq 2(x-1)^4$$
did I miss something ?
You're right! I totally forgot about the numbers between 0 and 1. Thanks for the help
 
Set x = 1 + r\cos \theta, y = r \sin \theta and consider the limit r \to 0. Does it depend on \theta?

EDIT This is not sufficient to conclude that the limit exists, as the example I give below shows.

Instead consider what happens if you approach (1,0) along the path (1 + t, At^2) for arbitrary A. If the limit exists, then the result should be independent of A.
 
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pasmith said:
Set x = 1 + r\cos \theta, y = r \sin \theta and consider the limit r \to 0. Does it depend on \theta?
It does. So if I have a two variable function and I want to calculate the limit for (x,y) to (0,0) I can just replace x and y with the polar coordinates and check whether it depends on \theta and if it does, there is no limit?
 
Maybe I shouldn't, but I'd suggest you consider 2 or more random paths of approach. If you get the same limit on both, the limit likely exists. Good if you're stuck in an exam with little time left. Easy choices: along ##y=x## along ##(0,y) ##or ##(x,0)##
 
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ananonanunes said:
It does. So if I have a two variable function and I want to calculate the limit for (x,y) to (0,0) I can just replace x and y with the polar coordinates and check whether it depends on \theta and if it does, there is no limit?
Your missing one small detail given by @pasmith ; take the limit as ##r\to 0##. Then you see if that limit depends on ##\theta##, ...
 
WWGD said:
Maybe I shouldn't, but I'd suggest you consider 2 or more random paths of approach. If you get the same limit on both, the limit likely exists. Good if you're stuck in an exam with little time left. Easy choices: along ##y=x## along ##(0,y) ##or ##(x,0)##

Consider <br /> f(x,y) = \frac{xy}{x^2 + y}. Here approaching the origin along a straight line path we find <br /> \lim_{t \to 0} f(t\cos \theta,t\sin\theta) = \lim_{t\to 0} \frac{t\sin 2\theta}{2(t\cos^2 \theta + \sin \theta)} = 0. However, we also find that for C \neq 0 we have <br /> \lim_{t \to 0} f\left(t, \frac{Ct^2}{t-C}\right) = C. Hence \lim_{(x,y)\to(0,0)} f(x,y) does not exist: there are points arbitrarily close to the origin where f(x,y) = C for any C.
 
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@pasmith , not saying your method doesn't work, just offering a different approach, perspective.
 
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WWGD said:
@pasmith , not saying your method doesn't work, just offering a different approach, perspective.

My point is that "consider 2 or more random paths of approach. If you get the same limit on both, the limit likely exists" is not accurate.
 
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pasmith said:
My point is that "consider 2 or more random paths of approach. If you get the same limit on both, the limit likely exists" is not accurate.
" Likely"
It's a rule of thumb. Besides, the limits are different for ## C\neq 0 ##, which doesn't qualify for my rule ( of thumb)
 
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