Find matrix representation with respect to the basis

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a vector space defined by solutions to the differential equation $$f^{\prime\prime}+f=0$$. Participants explore whether the functions $$e_1$$ and $$e_2$$ form a basis for this vector space and how to find the matrix representation of the linear transformation $$D: V \to V, \space y \to \d{y}{x}$$ with respect to this basis. The scope includes theoretical aspects of linear algebra and differential equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that $$e_1$$ and $$e_2$$ satisfy the differential equation and propose that they form a basis for the vector space $$V$$.
  • One participant questions the definition of the linear transformation $$D$$, suggesting it should be $$D: V \to V, y \to \frac{dy}{dx}$$ instead.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to prove linear independence by showing that the only solution to $$c_1e_1 + c_2e_2 = 0$$ for all $$x$$ is $$c_1 = c_2 = 0$$.
  • Participants discuss the implications of periodicity of the sine functions in proving linear independence and suggest evaluating specific values of $$x$$ to derive relationships between $$c_1$$ and $$c_2$$.
  • One participant introduces the Wronskian as a method to demonstrate linear independence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to establish linear independence and spanning properties for the proposed basis, but there is no consensus on the method to prove these properties or the correct formulation of the linear transformation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for further clarification on the definitions of linear independence and spanning in the context of the vector space, as well as the unresolved mathematical steps in proving these properties.

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The set of all solutions of the differential equation

$$\d{^2{y}}{{x}^2}+y=0$$

is a real vector space

$$V=\left\{f:R\to R \mid f^{\prime\prime}+f=0\right\}$$

show that $$\left\{{e}_{1},{e}_{2}\right\}$$ is a basis for $V$, where

$${e}_{1}:R \to R, \space x \to \sin(x)$$

$${e}_{2}:R \to R, \space x \to \sin\left(x+\frac{\pi}{4}\right)$$

Show that

$$D:V \to V, \space y \to \d{x}{y}$$

is a linear transformation and find it's matrix representation with respect to the basis above
 
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What have you done so far? Also, what theorems are you allowed to invoke? Lastly, are you sure it's not
$$D:V\to V, y \to \frac{dy}{dx}?$$
 
you are correct it is $$D:V \to V, \space y \to \d{y}{x}$$

so far I have set $${e}_{1}\space and\space {e}_{2}=V$$ to prove that the definition of $$f^{\prime\prime}+f=0$$ which was true for both of them. Now to my knowledge to prove a basis I need to prove that they are linearly independent which I think can be done by showing that $${c}_{1}{e}_{1}+{c}_{2}{e}_{2}=0 \space for \space c\in R$$ which as they both equal 0 is true for all $c$.

Assuming the above part is right I don't know how to go about the next part?
 
Kronos said:
you are correct it is $$D:V \to V, \space y \to \d{y}{x}$$

so far I have set $${e}_{1}\space and\space {e}_{2}=V$$ to prove that the definition of $$f^{\prime\prime}+f=0$$ which was true for both of them. Now to my knowledge to prove a basis I need to prove that they are linearly independent which I think can be done by showing that $${c}_{1}{e}_{1}+{c}_{2}{e}_{2}=0 \space for \space c\in R$$ which as they both equal 0 is true for all $c$.

Assuming the above part is right I don't know how to go about the next part?

That is not what linearly independent means. It means that if: $c_1,c_2$ are real constants such that:

$c_1e_1(x) + c_2e_2(x) = 0$, for ALL $x \in \Bbb R$ that we MUST HAVE $c_1 = c_2 = 0$.

Since both $\sin(x)$ and $\sin(x + \frac{\pi}{4})$ are periodic (with period $2\pi$) it suffices to consider $x \in [0,2\pi)$.

Suppose $x = \dfrac{\pi}{2}$. What does that tell you about what $c_2$ must be in terms of $c_1$?

Next, suppose $x = 0$. What does that tell you about what $c_2$ must be?

Proving spanning is even harder: you must show that ANY solution to:

$f'' + f = 0$

can be written in the form $c_1e_1 + c_2e_2$ for some real numbers $c_1,c_2$.

This is not a trivial problem. To see what I mean, note that:

$f(x) = \cos(x)$ is an element of your vector space.
 
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You can also use the Wronskian to show linear independence.
 

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