Find Max & Min for $\frac{n}{f(n)}$ when $n\in N$ and $9<n<100$

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The discussion revolves around finding the maximum and minimum values of the expression $\frac{n}{f(n)}$ for natural numbers $n$ within specified ranges, where $f(n)$ represents the sum of the digits of $n$. The ranges considered are $9 < n < 100$ and $999 < n < 10000$. Participants explore their guesses and methods for determining these values.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that for the range $9 < n < 100$, the maximum value is 10 and the minimum is $\frac{19}{10}$.
  • Others suggest that for the same range, both maximum and minimum values are correct as stated, but there is contention regarding the minimum value for the range $999 < n < 10000$.
  • One participant claims the maximum for the second range is 1000, while the minimum is $\frac{1999}{28}$, though this is later challenged.
  • A later reply introduces a new guess for the minimum in the second range as $\frac{1199}{20} = 59.95$, but admits uncertainty about how to prove it.
  • Another participant asserts that the minimum for the second range is actually $\frac{1099}{19}$, prompting acknowledgment from others.

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Participants express differing views on the minimum values for the second range, indicating that no consensus has been reached regarding the correct minimum for that case. The maximum values appear to have some agreement, but the discussion remains unresolved overall.

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Participants have not provided detailed proofs or methods for their claims, leading to uncertainty about the validity of the proposed maximum and minimum values.

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if $n\in N$ , $9<n<100$, and $f(n)=$ all digits sum of $n$
(1)find $max(\dfrac {n}{f(n)})$ and $min(\dfrac {n}{f(n)})$
now if:
if $n\in N$ , $999<n<10000$, and $f(n)=$ all digits sum of $n$
(2)find $max(\dfrac {n}{f(n)})$ and $min(\dfrac {n}{f(n)})$
 
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My immediate guesses:

(1) Max is 10 and min is 19/10

(2) Max is 1000 and min is 1999/28
 
neelmodi said:
My immediate guesses:

(1) Max is 10 and min is 19/10

(2) Max is 1000 and min is 1999/28
(1) both correct
(2) Max correct ,min incorrect
please write down the way you got those answers
 
Albert said:
(1) both correct
(2) Max correct ,min incorrect
please write down the way you got those answers
[sp]My guess for the min in (2) was $1199/20 = 59.95$. But I haven't thought about how to prove it.[/sp]
 
Opalg said:
[sp]My guess for the min in (2) was $1199/20 = 59.95$. But I haven't thought about how to prove it.[/sp]
the min (2) is $\dfrac {1099}{19}$
 
Albert said:
the min (2) is $\dfrac {1099}{19}$
I should have thought of that! (Fubar)
 
Albert said:
if $n\in N$ , $9<n<100$, and $f(n)=$ all digits sum of $n$
(1)find $max(\dfrac {n}{f(n)})$ and $min(\dfrac {n}{f(n)})$
now if:
if $n\in N$ , $999<n<10000$, and $f(n)=$ all digits sum of $n$
(2)find $max(\dfrac {n}{f(n)})$ and $min(\dfrac {n}{f(n)})$
sol of (1)
let : $n=\overline{xy}=10x+y, (x\in 1...9 , y\in 0...9)$
$\therefore \dfrac {n}{f(n)}=\dfrac {10x+y}{x+y}=10-\dfrac {9y}{x+y}$
and we have :$max(\dfrac {n}{f(n)})=10 \,\, \,\,with (y=0, x=1...9)$
$min(\dfrac {n}{f(n)})=10 -\dfrac {9\times 9}{1+9}=\dfrac {19}{10}\,\,(y=9,x=1)$
sol of (2) is similar ,please have a try
 
sol of (2) of others
let : $n=\overline{xyzw}=1000x+100y+10z+w, (x\in 1...9 , y,z,w\in 0...9)$
$\therefore \dfrac {n}{f(n)}=\dfrac {1000x+100y+10z+w}{x+y+z+w}=1000-\dfrac {900y+990z+999w}{x+y+z+w}$
and we have :$max(\dfrac {n}{f(n)})=1000 \,\, \,\,with (y,z,w=0, x=1...9)$
to find $min(\dfrac {n}{f(n)})= ?$
we must find $max(\dfrac {900y+990z+999w}{x+y+z+w})$
$\dfrac {900y+990z+999w}{x+y+z+w}
=900+\dfrac {90z+99w-900x}{x+y+z+w},\,\
( x=1,y=0)$
$=900+\dfrac {90z+99w-900}{1+z+w}$
$=900+90+\dfrac {9w-990}{1+z+w},\,\,(z=9)$
$=900+90+9-\dfrac {1080}{10+w}, \,\,\, (w=9)$
$=\dfrac {17901}{19}$
$\therefore min(\dfrac {n}{f(n)})=1000-\dfrac {17901}{19}=\dfrac {1099}{19}$#
 
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