Find Serret-Frenet Triad for Curve y = f(x): Solve Diff. Eq. -U`(s)

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The discussion focuses on deriving the Serret-Frenet Triad for the curve defined by the function y = f(x) using the specific case of U = x²/2. Participants detail the steps to find the Triad, describe the resultant vector force acting on a bead, and address the differential equation x'' = -U'(x). The conclusion indicates that the expected solution is a cycloid, suggesting a potential error in the problem setup or calculations.

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Homework Statement
Consider the motion of a particle in a potential: x`` = −U`(x). Can this equation also describe the arclength parameter of a bead sliding under gravity on an appropriately shaped wire? That is, find the curve y = V (x) such that the arc length parameter s of a bead sliding on this curve under
gravity (g = const. pointing down the y-axis) satisfies the same equation: s`` = −U`(s), and state under what conditions on U this is possible. Find V in the following two cases: (i) U = x^2/2 and (ii) U = −cos x.
Relevant Equations
Serret-Frenet Triad, F=ma
For the case first case U=x^2/2 :
1) Find the Serret-Frenet Triad for a any curve y = f(x):
For a curve on a plane, the Triad could be find in this way:
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2) The vector force resultant acting in the bead could be discribed in this way:
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3) The vector force acting in the bead could be discribed in this way:
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4) Multypling (3) with (1) and equalizing to (2):

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5) From the question, we know that (4) is equal to -U`(s), so solving the differential equation, we have:
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6) But the answer is a cycloid , so there is somethig wrong.
 
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hilton said:
Problem Statement: Consider the motion of a particle in a potential: x`` = −U`(x). Can this equation also
What do the grave accents (` ) mean in this x`` , `( notation?
 
The derivative
 

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