Find Surface Area obtained by rotating a curve?

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The discussion revolves around finding the surface area obtained by rotating a curve about the y-axis, specifically focusing on the curve defined by the equation x=2e^(2y) from y=0 to y=4. Participants are exploring the integration process required to apply the surface area formula.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the surface area formula involving integration and derivatives. There are attempts to set up the integral correctly, with some participants questioning the bounds and substitutions used. Various substitution methods, including trigonometric and hyperbolic functions, are suggested to simplify the integration process.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and alternative approaches to the integration problem. Some have expressed challenges with specific substitution methods, while others are exploring different techniques to tackle the integral. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants note the importance of correctly identifying the function and its derivative, as well as the need to clarify the bounds of integration. There is also mention of a separate question regarding a different curve, indicating a broader context of surface area problems being discussed.

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Find the area of the surface obtained by rotating the curve
y=2e^(2y)
from y=0 to y=4 about the y-axis.

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. This has my whole hall stumped. We know that you have to use the equation 2pi*int(g(y)sqrt(1+(derivative of function)^2), but cannot figure out how to integrate this correctly.

What I have gotten so far:
y=2e^(2y)
[when u=2y, du/2=dx]
y=e^u
New bounds: 1 to e^4

2pi*int(e^u*sqrt(1+(e^u)^2)

How do you go from there? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Sorry, the problem is x=2e^(2y)
 
x=2e^{2y} \Rightarrow \frac{dx}{dy}=4e^{2y}

S=2\pi \int _{0} ^{4} x\sqrt{1+\left(\frac{dx}{dy}\right)^2} dy



S=2\pi \int _{0} ^{4} 2e^{2y}\sqrt{1+(4e^{2y})^2} dy


Let u=4e^{2y} \Rightarrow \frac{du}{dy}=8e^2y \Rightarrow \frac{du}{4}=2e^{2y}dy

\equiv S=2\pi \int \frac{1}{4} \sqrt{1+u^2} du

I think a hyperbolic trig. substitution will work here e.g.t=sinhx (OR if you want t=secx)
 
Thank you very much. I got this far, but tried to use normal trig substitution. IT goes without saying that it didn't really work for me.
 
\equiv S=2\pi \int \frac{1}{4} \sqrt{1+u^2} du

Let u=sect \Rightarrow \frac{du}{dt}=secttant \Rightarrow du=secttant dt

\frac{\pi}{2}\int \sqrt{1+sec^2t}secttant dt \equiv \frac{\pi}{2}\int \sqrt{tan^2t}secttant dt


\frac{\pi}{2}\int secttan^2t dt \equiv \frac{\pi}{2}\int sect(sec^2t-1) dt

Long and tedious but it should work.
 
you could just use trig substitution where something in the form sqrt(A^2+X^2) should be approached making the substitution u=tangent(theta)

so you could plus u into sqrt(1+u^2) and end up with sec(theta)
then have du=sec^2(theta)

then for 2pi*integtal(0.25sqrt(1+u^2))du you would get

pi/2*integral(sec(theta)*sec^2(theta))d(theta)

then just use u substitution and get your answer
 
tron_2.0 said:
you could just use trig substitution where something in the form sqrt(A^2+X^2) should be approached making the substitution u=tangent(theta)

so you could plus u into sqrt(1+u^2) and end up with sec(theta)
then have du=sec^2(theta)

then for 2pi*integtal(0.25sqrt(1+u^2))du you would get

pi/2*integral(sec(theta)*sec^2(theta))d(theta)

then just use u substitution and get your answer


Ahhh yes my mistake..sect would be the wrong trig fn...tant is much better...My mistake...Though I prefer the hyperbolic ones to the trig ones
 
xo.Stardust said:
Find the surface area by rotating the curve x=(1/3)y^(3/2) - y^(1/2) about the y- axis between 1 and 3.
Not making much progress with this question, any help would be appreciated.

it is not good to thread-jack, so start a new thread showing your work


use this formula


S= \int_{y_1} ^{y_2} 2 \pi x ds \ where \ ds=\sqrt{1+ \left( \frac{dx}{dy} \right) ^2} dy
 

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