Find the area bounded by these 4 arcs

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The problem involves finding the area of a shaded region formed by four quarter circles drawn from the vertices of a square with a side length of 12±0.05. Participants are exploring geometric relationships and area calculations related to the shapes involved.

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  • Participants discuss the potential use of an equilateral triangle formed by the intersections of the arcs and the square's corners. There are suggestions to label different areas in the figure for clarity and to set up equations based on these areas. Some participants also mention the possibility of using integrals to find the area, while others emphasize a geometric approach.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing various insights and approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of equations and the identification of areas, but there is no explicit consensus on a single method or solution path.

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Homework Statement
Four quarter circles were drawn from the four vertices of the square as shown below. If the side length of the square has a measure of 12±0.05, find the area of the shaded region.
Relevant Equations
Find an equilateral triangle in the figure
Can be solved through 3 equations, 3 unknowns
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chocopop said:
Homework Statement:: Four quarter circles were drawn from the four vertices of the square as shown below. If the side length of the square has a measure of 12±0.05, find the area of the shaded region.
Relevant Equations:: Find an equilateral triangle in the figure
Can be solved through 3 equations, 3 unknowns

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Welcome to PhysicsForums.

As you know, you are required to show your best efforts to start the problem before we can offer tutorial assistence. How will you approach this problem? What sort of integral will you set up? What coordinate system (rectangular, polar, etc.) would probably be best for this problem?

(Or, it sounds like you have been given a hint in the problem that you can use and not even have to integrate?) :smile:
 
It does look a little bit fiddly. By equilateral triangle I presume they're referring to the one joining two corners to the intersection of their respective arcs. You can find the area of that triangle, and then also the little segment at the end of the sector. Might also help if you give the 3 different shapes in the figure names like ##A_1##, ##A_2##, ##A_3## respectively, or something, so that you can start writing some (3) equations in terms of ##r##.

[P.S. If you get fed up of that, you can just do an integral$$A_{\text{shaded}} = \int_{1-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}}^{\frac{1}{2}} 2\sqrt{1-(x-1)^2} -1 \, dx$$That should yield pretty easily to a sneaky ##\sin{u} = (x-1)## substitution. But technically that's not a hint, because you're supposed so solve it geometrically. So please don't ban me @berkeman 😜 ]
 
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etotheipi said:
It does look a little bit fiddly. By equilateral triangle I presume they're referring to the one joining two corners to the intersection of their respective arcs. You can find the area of that triangle, and then also the little segment at the end of the sector. Might also help if you give the 3 different shapes in the figure names like ##A_1##, ##A_2##, ##A_3## respectively, or something, so that you can start writing some (3) equations in terms of ##r##.

[P.S. If you get fed up of that, you can just do an integral$$A_{\text{shaded}} = \int_{1-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}}^{\frac{1}{2}} 2\sqrt{1-(x-1)^2} -1 \, dx$$That should yield pretty easily to a sneaky ##\sin{u} = (x-1)## substitution. But technically that's not a hint, because you're supposed so solve it geometrically. So please don't ban me @berkeman 😜 ]
i don't know how to get it
 
Okay. Let the shaded square have area ##A_1##, let the four arrow-shaped things have areas ##A_2## each, and the four other shapes along the edges have areas ##A_3## each.

The area of the square is ##d^2##; what is the area of the square in terms of ##A_1##, ##A_2## and ##A_3##? Can you then write an equation?

Can you do the same for two other regions of choice, e.g. maybe one of the quarter circles, and one other region?

It's a little bit fiddly, but you'll need to show an attempt.
 
etotheipi said:
Okay. Let the shaded square have area ##A_1##, let the four arrow-shaped things have areas ##A_2## each, and the four other shapes along the edges have areas ##A_3## each.

The area of the square is ##d^2##; what is the area of the square in terms of ##A_1##, ##A_2## and ##A_3##? Can you then write an equation?

Can you do the same for two other regions of choice, e.g. maybe one of the quarter circles, and one other region?

It's a little bit fiddly, but you'll need to show an attempt.
12(1+0.05)
=12.6
side x side
12.6 x 12.6
=158.76

is it correct, sir?
 
No, that's just the area of the large square. I refer you again to the questions posed in #5
 
Unfortunately the OP has been banned from the PF because of many other thread starts today like this one that showed zero effort, despite repeated warnings from the Mentors. At least he/she showed a little effort in this thread. Thanks for trying to help.
 
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