Find the center of mass of a uniform semicircular plate of radius R

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The discussion focuses on finding the center of mass of a uniform semicircular plate of radius R. The initial formula presented, which involves integrating the position vector, is critiqued for not properly accounting for the geometry of the semicircular plate. It is clarified that the correct approach requires recognizing that the position vector must be treated as a vector in three dimensions, leading to the conclusion that the center of mass is located at a specific point along the vertical axis. The final correct expression for the center of mass is determined to be at a distance of 2R/3 from the flat edge of the semicircle. This highlights the importance of accurately applying the principles of integration and vector representation in physics.
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Homework Statement
Find the center of mass of a uniform this semicircular plate of radius R. Let the origin be at the center of the semicircle, the plate arc from the +x axis to the -x axis, and the z axis be perpendicular to the plate.
Relevant Equations
##rcm = \frac 1 M*\int(r*dm)##
$$rcm = \frac{1}{M}\int_0^\pi(rdm)$$
$$dm = \sigma{dA}$$
$$dA = (\pi*R^2)*\frac{d\theta}{2\pi}$$
$$\sigma = \frac{M}{\frac{\pi*R^2}{2}}$$
$$dm = M*\frac{d\theta}{\pi}$$
$$r = R(cos(\theta)\vec i + sin(\theta)\vec j)$$
$$rcm = \int_0^\pi{\frac{R}{\pi}(cos(\theta)\vec i + sin(\theta)\vec j)} = \frac{2*R}{\pi}\vec j$$

Where did I go wrong?
 
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annamal said:
Relevant Equations:: ##rcm = \frac 1 M*\int(r*dm)##
Where did I go wrong?
Right there. It is not ##\int r.dm##.
 
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haruspex said:
Read the text there carefully. The r in that formula is a position vector, (x, y, z). So the equation becomes ##(x_{cm}, y_{cm}, z_{cm})=\frac 1M\int(x,y,z).dm##.
That works because all the x are parallel. The r in your usage are not all parallel.
Yes, so ##\vec r = R(cos(\theta)\vec i + sin(\theta)\vec j)##
I meant ##\vec r_{cm} = \frac 1 M*\int(\vec r*dm)##
What's the problem?
 
annamal said:
Yes, so ##\vec r = R(cos(\theta)\vec i + sin(\theta)\vec j)##
That's only true of a point on the circumference, so you have found the mass centre of a semicircular arc.
 
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haruspex said:
That's only true of a point on the circumference, so you have found the mass centre of a semicircular arc.
Ah, I see. This doesn't work either

$$\sigma = \frac{2M}{\pi*R^2}$$
$$dM = \sigma dA$$
$$dA = \pi ydy$$
$$y_{cm} = \frac{1}{M}\int ydM = \frac{\sigma*\pi}{M}\int{y^2}{dy} = 2MR/3$$
 
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