Find the center of mass of a uniform semicircular plate of radius R

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The discussion revolves around finding the center of mass of a uniform semicircular plate with radius R. Participants are analyzing the mathematical formulation and application of integrals related to the center of mass in a two-dimensional context.

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  • Participants are examining the integral formulation for calculating the center of mass, specifically questioning the correct application of the position vector in the context of the semicircular geometry. There are discussions about the interpretation of the variable r and its implications for the mass distribution.

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There is an ongoing debate regarding the correct interpretation of the integral used for the center of mass calculation. Some participants are clarifying the distinction between the position vector for a point on the semicircle versus the entire mass distribution. Multiple interpretations of the equations are being explored, and some participants are attempting to reconcile their understanding with the mathematical definitions provided.

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Homework Statement
Find the center of mass of a uniform this semicircular plate of radius R. Let the origin be at the center of the semicircle, the plate arc from the +x axis to the -x axis, and the z axis be perpendicular to the plate.
Relevant Equations
##rcm = \frac 1 M*\int(r*dm)##
$$rcm = \frac{1}{M}\int_0^\pi(rdm)$$
$$dm = \sigma{dA}$$
$$dA = (\pi*R^2)*\frac{d\theta}{2\pi}$$
$$\sigma = \frac{M}{\frac{\pi*R^2}{2}}$$
$$dm = M*\frac{d\theta}{\pi}$$
$$r = R(cos(\theta)\vec i + sin(\theta)\vec j)$$
$$rcm = \int_0^\pi{\frac{R}{\pi}(cos(\theta)\vec i + sin(\theta)\vec j)} = \frac{2*R}{\pi}\vec j$$

Where did I go wrong?
 
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annamal said:
Relevant Equations:: ##rcm = \frac 1 M*\int(r*dm)##
Where did I go wrong?
Right there. It is not ##\int r.dm##.
 
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haruspex said:
Read the text there carefully. The r in that formula is a position vector, (x, y, z). So the equation becomes ##(x_{cm}, y_{cm}, z_{cm})=\frac 1M\int(x,y,z).dm##.
That works because all the x are parallel. The r in your usage are not all parallel.
Yes, so ##\vec r = R(cos(\theta)\vec i + sin(\theta)\vec j)##
I meant ##\vec r_{cm} = \frac 1 M*\int(\vec r*dm)##
What's the problem?
 
annamal said:
Yes, so ##\vec r = R(cos(\theta)\vec i + sin(\theta)\vec j)##
That's only true of a point on the circumference, so you have found the mass centre of a semicircular arc.
 
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haruspex said:
That's only true of a point on the circumference, so you have found the mass centre of a semicircular arc.
Ah, I see. This doesn't work either

$$\sigma = \frac{2M}{\pi*R^2}$$
$$dM = \sigma dA$$
$$dA = \pi ydy$$
$$y_{cm} = \frac{1}{M}\int ydM = \frac{\sigma*\pi}{M}\int{y^2}{dy} = 2MR/3$$
 
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