Find the change in entropy for an ideal gas undergoing a reversible process

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The discussion focuses on calculating the change in entropy for an ideal gas undergoing a reversible process using thermodynamic principles. The key equations referenced include the internal energy equation for a monatomic ideal gas, \( U = \frac{3}{2}kT \), and the expression for entropy change, \( S = \frac{3}{2}nk \int^{T_2}_{T_1} \frac{1}{T}dT + R\int^{V_2}_{V_1} \frac{1}{V}dV \). Participants emphasize the need for a general expression for internal energy that accounts for the number of moles, \( n \), and the molar heat capacity at constant volume, \( C_V \). Corrections to the initial approach are discussed, highlighting the importance of including the factor of \( n \) in the calculations.

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  • Understanding of thermodynamic principles, specifically the first law of thermodynamics.
  • Familiarity with the concepts of internal energy and entropy.
  • Knowledge of ideal gas laws and equations of state.
  • Basic calculus for evaluating integrals in thermodynamic equations.
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  • Study the derivation of the internal energy equation for ideal gases, focusing on monatomic and polyatomic cases.
  • Learn about the molar heat capacity at constant volume, \( C_V \), and its significance in thermodynamic calculations.
  • Explore the application of the ideal gas law in various thermodynamic processes.
  • Practice solving entropy change problems using different thermodynamic paths and conditions.
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Homework Statement
An ideal gad had a temperature ##T_1## and volume ##V_1##. As a result of a reversible process, these quantities changed to ##T_2## and ##V_2##. Find the change in entropy.
Relevant Equations
##pV=nRT##
##\delta Q = TdS##
##dU = \delta Q + \delta W##
##U = \frac{3}{2}kT##
We know that
$$dU=\delta Q + \delta W$$
$$dU = TdS - pdV$$
So from this:
$$dS = \frac{1}{T}dU + \frac{1}{T}pdV \ (*)$$
For an ideal gas:
$$dU = \frac{3}{2}nkdT$$
Plugging that into (*) and also from ##p=\frac{nRT}{V}## we get:
$$S = \frac{3}{2}nk \int^{T_2}_{T_1} \frac{1}{T}dT + R\int^{V_2}_{V_1} \frac{1}{V}dV$$

And so on...

Is this the correct approach to solve this problem? I'm not really sure because I'm still new to thermodynamics.
 
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Your approach looks good. A couple of things, though.

mcas said:
##U = \frac{3}{2}kT##
This equation is for a monatomic ideal gas and it's missing a factor of ##N## (the number of molecules). But the question does not specify that the gas is monatomic. So, you'll need a more general expression for ##U## (usually expressed in terms of the number of moles ##n##, the molar heat capacity at constant volume, ##C_V##, and ##T##).

$$S = \frac{3}{2}nk \int^{T_2}_{T_1} \frac{1}{T}dT + R\int^{V_2}_{V_1} \frac{1}{V}dV$$
The first term should be corrected according to the remarks above. The second term is missing a factor. Can you spot it?
 
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TSny said:
So, you'll need a more general expression for ##U## (usually expressed in terms of the number of moles ##n##, the molar heat capacity at constant volume, ##C_V##, and ##T##).
Ok, thank you. I think I know which one :smile:

TSny said:
The first term should be corrected according to the remarks above. The second term is missing a factor. Can you spot it?
I missed ##n##, right?

Thank you, this means very much! Now I have the motivation to do more problems 😁
 
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mcas said:
I missed ##n##, right?
Yes.
 
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