Find the dimension of capacitor given [phi]E and Id

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The problem involves determining the dimensions of capacitor plates given a changing electric field and a displacement current. The context is within the study of capacitors and electric fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss differentiating equations related to charge and electric field to find relationships that might help solve for the area of the plates. There is uncertainty about how to proceed without additional information about the distance between the plates or the electric field itself.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered suggestions to differentiate existing formulas to explore relationships between variables. However, there remains a lack of clarity on how to isolate the area of the plates without knowing other parameters.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of finding the area of the plates without having values for the distance between the plates or the electric field strength. The discussion reflects constraints imposed by the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


The electric field between two circular plates of a capacitor is changing at a rate of 1.5x10^6 V/m/s (ΦE). If displacement current at this instant is Id=0.80x10^-8A, find the dimensions of the plates.


Homework Equations



Id=ΔQ/Δt=εΔΦE/Δt
Q=CV=(εA/d)(Ed)

Q=εAE <-- need to solve for A but do not have E.

The Attempt at a Solution



Q=εΦE = (8.85x10^-12)(1.5x10^6)
Q=1.33x10^-5

Feel like I must be missing something, I've gone over this problem and relevant formulas for way too long and can't figure out how to determine A (area of the plates) from the information given. Would really appreciate a push in the right direction.
Thanks
 
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What happens if you differentiate your formula Q = (εA/d)(Ed) with respect to time?
 
gneill said:
What happens if you differentiate your formula Q = (εA/d)(Ed) with respect to time?

Could you elaborate?

I don't see how that helps to solve for A or E
 
a4pat said:
Could you elaborate?

I don't see how that helps to solve for A or E

differentiate both sides w.r.t. time. (what varies on each side?). Does the result mesh with any other formula you've written?
 
gneill said:
differentiate both sides w.r.t. time. (what varies on each side?). Does the result mesh with any other formula you've written?

ΔQ/Δt = CV/Δt = εAE/Δt = Id


Thanks for the reply, still not sure how to solve this. Even with respect to time I can't see how the formulas can be setup to find the plate dimensions (A) without having d, or E.
:confused:
 
a4pat said:
ΔQ/Δt = CV/Δt = εAE/Δt = Id


Thanks for the reply, still not sure how to solve this. Even with respect to time I can't see how the formulas can be setup to find the plate dimensions (A) without having d, or E.
:confused:

So,

ΔQ/Δt = εA ΔE/Δt by your differentiation

and you're given:

ΔQ/Δt = 0.80x10^-8A ; and ΔE/Δt = 1.5x10^6 V/m/s

:rolleyes:
 

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