Find the domain of definition and then the limit

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The discussion revolves around evaluating limits and determining the domain of a piecewise function. The problems involve limits as x approaches zero and infinity, as well as the behavior of a function defined with absolute values.

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  • Participants explore various methods for evaluating limits, including L'Hôpital's rule, Taylor expansion, and the Squeeze Theorem. There are attempts to simplify expressions and clarify misunderstandings about trigonometric identities.

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okay i have three limits, i did one and the two others i m stuck...
well here

1.
limit when x tends to zero of
(x-sin(px)) / (x-sin(qx))

p and q are positive integers.

for this one i have no idea what to do, i never worked with p or q...

2.
limit when x tends to zero of the function:
(x(1-cosx)) / (sin3x - 3sinx)
for this one, i expanded the denominator to get [ sinx(3cos²x-sin²x) ], then i finally have
(x(1-cosx)) / (sinx(3cos²x-sin²x))
and the limit is +infinty i think; am i right?

3.

f(x)=(x-1)/(x+1-|x|)
i first need to find the domain of definition, then find the limits in those points.

first, i need to separate that function into :

f(x)= (x-1)/(2x+1) [x<0] (x shouldn't equal 1/2)
f(x)= x+1 [x<o]

so, the limit in -infinity is -infinity
the limit in +infinity is 1/2
the limit in 1/2+ is -infinity
the limit in 1/2- is +infinity

is that right ^^
thanks!
 
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mohlam12 said:
okay i have three limits, i did one and the two others i m stuck...
well here

1.
limit when x tends to zero of
(x-sin(px)) / (x-sin(qx))

p and q are positive integers.

for this one i have no idea what to do, i never worked with p or q...
Uhm... this may be a good candidate for L'Hopital's rule, or Taylor's expansion. Have you covered Taylor's expansion yet? Just expand it arround x = 0, and see if you get the answer.
2.
limit when x tends to zero of the function:
(x(1-cosx)) / (sin3x - 3sinx)
for this one, i expanded the denominator to get [ sinx(3cos²x-sin²x) ], then i finally have
(x(1-cosx)) / (sinx(3cos²x-sin²x))
and the limit is +infinty i think; am i right?
Nope. :)
You should check it again:
sin(3x) = 3 sin(x) - 4 sin3(x), the denominator does not simplify to: sinx(3cos²x-sin²x) :smile:
3.

f(x)=(x-1)/(x+1-|x|)
i first need to find the domain of definition, then find the limits in those points.

first, i need to separate that function into :

f(x)= (x-1)/(2x+1) [x<0] (x shouldn't equal 1/2)
f(x)= x+1 [x<o] you mean x > 0, right? :)

so, the limit in -infinity is -infinity
the limit in +infinity is 1/2

the limit in 1/2+ is -infinity
the limit in 1/2- is +infinity

is that right ^^
thanks!
x can be 1 / 2, the only value that makes f(x) undefined is x = - 1 / 2.
You should check the limits for x tends to -, and + infinity again, you seemed to have swapped the two.
Ok, can you go from here? :)
 
L'Hospital's would be great for the 1st one, but since this is in Pre-Calc, I would assume you can't use anything with a deriviative yet.

I can't see what would be a good candidate, but maybe the Squeeze Theorem would work here.
 
As for the first one, do the trick:
[tex]\frac{x-\sin(px)}{x-\sin(qx)}=\frac{x-px\frac{\sin(px)}{px}}{x-qx\frac{\sin(qx)}{qx}}=\frac{1-p\frac{\sin(px)}{px}}{1-q\frac{\sin(qx)}{qx}}[/tex]
 
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okay, for the second one, after simplifying i get -x/4sinx, and the limit of that when x tends to zero is -1/8. is this right?


the third one, (yes I meant x>o)

so, the limit in -infinity is 1/2
the limit in +infinity is 1/2
the limit in (-1/2)+ is -infinity
the limit in (-1/2)- is +infinity
is that right?

the first one,
I'd like to know how you went from [tex]\frac{x-\sin(px)}{x-\sin(qx)} to this \frac{x-px\frac{\sin(px)}{px}}{x-qx\frac{\sin(qx)}{qx}}[/tex]

Thank you very much, I really appreciate your help :)
 
Well, px/px=1, isn't it?
We can multiply any term we wish with 1, since 1 times a number equals that number..
 
mohlam12 said:
the limit in +infinity is 1/2
This one is still wrong. :) Re-check it the third time to see why. :rolleyes:
 
arildno said:
Well, px/px=1, isn't it?
We can multiply any term we wish with 1, since 1 times a number equals that number..

Got it thanks!

This one is still wrong. :) Re-check it the third time to see why.
Oooops! it's plus infinity... I forgot that there was an absolute value! Thank you =]
 
Okay I have a problem now...

for the second one,

(x(1-cosx)) / (sin3x - 3sinx)

How did you get sin(3x) = 3 sin(x) - 4 sin^3 (x), I didn't get that. and let's suppose it is right... now my function is:

-x/4sinx(1+cosx)

i don't know what do afterwards ? :confused::confused:EDIT: NEVER MIND! THANKS
 
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