Find the equivalent model of an infinite ladder circuit

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The discussion revolves around finding the equivalent model of an infinite ladder circuit, specifically focusing on the total equivalent resistance and effective electromotive force (emf) using Ohm's law and Kirchhoff's voltage law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the total equivalent resistance by replacing the infinite branches with a single resistor and applies the loop rule to analyze current flow. They inquire about potentially shorter methods to solve the problem. Other participants suggest using Thevenin's equivalent and seek clarification on the replacement of branches with resistors.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to approach the problem, with some guidance offered regarding Thevenin's equivalent. There is an ongoing dialogue about the interpretation of the circuit setup and the implications of replacing branches with resistors.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the physical impossibility of current blowing up to infinity, indicating a constraint in the problem's setup. Additionally, the discussion includes requests for visual aids to clarify concepts.

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2. Homework Equations

Ohm's law and Kirchoff's voltage law

The Attempt at a Solution


My solution is a bit long so I will just briefly explain it. First, we find the total equivalent resistance. Since the circuit extends to infinity, it is equal to replacing the second branch onward by a single resistor. After some calculus, Req = 2r. Thus, internal resistance is 2r. Next, apply the loop rule to find the current before it terminates as it is physically impossible for the current to blow up to infinity. Effective emf is found to be 2Ir = 2ε.

My question is, is there perhaps another (shorter) way to solve this problem? If so, please explain your solution. Thanks!
 

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The Blind Watchmaker said:

Homework Statement


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2. Homework Equations

Ohm's law and Kirchoff's voltage law

The Attempt at a Solution


My solution is a bit long so I will just briefly explain it. First, we find the total equivalent resistance. Since the circuit extends to infinity, it is equal to replacing the second branch onward by a single resistor. After some calculus, Req = 2r. Thus, internal resistance is 2r. Next, apply the loop rule to find the current before it terminates as it is physically impossible for the current to blow up to infinity. Effective emf is found to be 2Ir = 2ε.

My question is, is there perhaps another (shorter) way to solve this problem? If so, please explain your solution. Thanks!
Your method and your results are correct. You can use Thevenin equivalent. Adding the unit in the red frame to the equivalent source of emf E and internal resistance Ri, the emf and internal resistance of the Thevenin equivalent between A and B are E and Ri, respectively.

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Can you show what you mean by replacing the "2nd branch" with a resistor? Perhaps post a picture.
 
ehild said:
You can use Thevenin equivalent. Adding the unit in the red frame to the equivalent source of emf E and internal resistance Ri,...

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Now I'll buy that. I appeared as if the OP was going to replace everything beyond the first source with just a resistor.
 

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