Find the formula for X=tP+sQ under a translation and a rotation

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The discussion revolves around finding the formula for a line represented as X=tP+sQ, where P and Q are fixed points and s, t are real numbers constrained by s+t=1. Participants are exploring how this line transforms under translation by a vector B and rotations about a point C by 90 and 180 degrees.

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  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants attempt to derive the new formula for translation, suggesting that it maintains length and slope. Others express uncertainty about how to apply rotation transformations to the line, referencing standard formulas for point rotations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some guidance provided regarding the effects of translation and rotation on the line. Participants are questioning how to effectively apply rotation formulas to the points P and Q, indicating a need for further exploration of these transformations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a lack of clarity on how to derive the formulas for rotation and are seeking specific resources or references for standard rotation formulas. There is also an implicit assumption that the transformations will preserve certain properties of the line.

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Homework Statement


A group of American physicist works on a project where planar lines are in the form X=tP+sQ, where P and Q are two fixed different points and s, t are varying reals satisfying s+t=1. They need to know formulae for the images of the line X=tP+sQ in the following three cases:
1. Under the translation by a vector B
2. Under rotation about a point C by 180 degrees
3. Under rotation about a point C by 90 degrees
Please provide those formulae and a justification for them.

Homework Equations


X=tP+sQ
s+t=1

The Attempt at a Solution


A translation by a vector, B will preserve length and slope, so the new formulae is X=tP+sQ+B.

A rotation will preserve length, but not necessarily slope. I know that with points, a 90 degree rotation will give (x,y) -> (y,-x) and that a rotation of 180 degrees will give (x,y) -> (-x,y).

I'm not sure how to use this information to get to a clear answer, with a formula and justification for it.
 
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KitKat21 said:

Homework Statement


A group of American physicist works on a project where planar lines are in the form X=tP+sQ, where P and Q are two fixed different points and s, t are varying reals satisfying s+t=1. They need to know formulae for the images of the line X=tP+sQ in the following three cases:
1. Under the translation by a vector B
2. Under rotation about a point C by 180 degrees
3. Under rotation about a point C by 90 degrees
Please provide those formulae and a justification for them.


Homework Equations


X=tP+sQ
s+t=1


The Attempt at a Solution


A translation by a vector, B will preserve length and slope, so the new formulae is X=tP+sQ+B.

A rotation will preserve length, but not necessarily slope. I know that with points, a 90 degree rotation will give (x,y) -> (y,-x) and that a rotation of 180 degrees will give (x,y) -> (-x,y).

I'm not sure how to use this information to get to a clear answer, with a formula and justification for it.

There are standard formulas for the transition from ##(x,y)## to ##(x',y')## under a rotation through angle ##\theta##. Just use them on each of the points P and Q.
 
Ray Vickson said:
There are standard formulas for the transition from ##(x,y)## to ##(x',y')## under a rotation through angle ##\theta##. Just use them on each of the points P and Q.

Where would I find these formulas? I have tried google and come up with nothing...?
 
For a rotation at C, translate C to the origin, rotate, translate the origin to C.
 

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