Find the General Solution to Differential Equation X2y'=y2+3xy+X2

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The discussion revolves around finding the general solution to the differential equation X²y' = y² + 3xy + X². Participants are exploring the implications of their proposed solutions and the validity of their approaches.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to validate their proposed solution, y = -x(ln|x| + c + 1), and seeks feedback on its correctness. Other participants question the notation used and the integration steps taken, suggesting potential errors in the original poster's calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing alternative interpretations and calculations. There is a lack of consensus on the correctness of the original poster's solution, and guidance has been offered regarding the integration process and the use of substitutions.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding notation, specifically the use of 'X' versus 'x', and some participants express uncertainty about the acceptability of leaving logarithmic expressions in the final answer.

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starting with question of find the general sollution of the differential equation

X2y'=y2+3xy+X2 would an acceptable answer be y=-x(ln|x|+c+1) i would show all my working but my camera isn't working so i'll save you must the trouble and just skip to a part that i know is correct where dx/x=(v+1)-2dv

where v=y/x. thanks in advance i think its right just want a second oppinion before plowing it into an exam
 
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I don't understand your notation. Is 'X' different from 'x'?
 
no just a bit daft with the caps lock button
 
franky2727 said:
starting with question of find the general sollution of the differential equation

X2y'=y2+3xy+X2 would an acceptable answer be y=-x(ln|x|+c+1) i would show all my working but my camera isn't working so i'll save you must the trouble and just skip to a part that i know is correct where dx/x=(v+1)-2dv

where v=y/x. thanks in advance i think its right just want a second oppinion before plowing it into an exam

Well, if y= y=-x(ln|x|+c+1), then y'= -(ln|x|+ c+1)- 1. Putting those into the differential equation, x2y'=y2+3xy+x2 would give you x2(-ln|x|+ c+ 1)- 1)= (ln|x|+ c+ 1)2+ 3x(-ln|x|+ c+ 1)+ x2. Since the right side is clearly going to involve "(ln|x|)2", I don't see how those are going to be equal.

I suspect you have integrated incorrectly. Yes, this is a homogenous equation and the substitution v= y/x gives
[tex]\frac{dv}{(v+1)^2}= \frac{dx}{x}[/tex]
Integrating both sides of that gives
[tex]-\frac{1}{v+1}= ln|x|+ C[/tex]
so
[tex]v+1= -\frac{1}{ln|x|+ C}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{y}{x}= -1-\frac{1}{ln|x|+ C}[/tex]
[tex]y= -x-\frac{x}{ln|x|+ C}[/tex]
 
I worked it out and did not get the same answer as you did. ln(x)+c is supposed to be the denominator of some fraction in y.
 
got it now, was just checking more to see if it would be acceptible to leave logs and things in the answer but made an error in the question
 

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