Find the largest initial velocity

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the largest initial velocity for a projectile, specifically in the context of a volleyball serve. The problem involves kinematics and includes considerations of initial height and trajectory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore using the range equation and height of a projectile equation to find the initial velocity. There are discussions about whether to include the initial height in calculations and how that affects the maximum height of the projectile.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting that the initial height may not need to be considered in certain contexts. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of different assumptions regarding the serve's requirements.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of consistent units and question the reasonableness of calculated values in the context of typical volleyball serves. There is also mention of criteria for a successful serve that are not explicitly defined in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


I know that this could be solved through kinematics.

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought that I could use the range equation to solve for Vo, but since there is an initial height, I don't think that could work. I thought that maybe I could use the height of a projectile equation

30 = 3 + (Vo^2sin^2(78)/(2g)) but the numbers don't work out for me.

I would really appreciate the help right now!
 
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You should not consider the initial height of 3ft. For the ball to not hit the ceiling, it's maximum height should be equal to the vertical distance between ceiling and the point of projection. Also, make sure you convert 'g' into ft/s2.
 
I notice that the problem doesn't mention whether the serve has to be a good one or not (i.e., it doesn't specify that it needs to make it over the net, or land inside the opposing team's court area). I think that losing those criteria would make things much easier :wink:
 
Oh okay. You're right that would definitely help. Okay then, for example, if it needed to get to Point B, could I say

30 = Vo^2sin^2theta/2g ?
 
CGI said:
Oh okay. You're right that would definitely help. Okay then, for example, if it needed to get to Point B, could I say

30 = Vo^2sin^2theta/2g ?

You were right the first time! Ignore the first part of post #2 and put the 3 back in.

I wouldn't worry about the net and the court just yet. Find the maximum ##v_0## and then check the trajectory. If it turns out to be a foul serve, then too bad, you'll have to start again. But, you might hope that doesn't happen.
 
Okay, I get that V initial = 42.63, but that doesn't seem like a reasonable answer..I think
 
CGI said:
Okay, I get that V initial = 42.63, but that doesn't seem like a reasonable answer..I think

Why not? That'll be ft/s I take it?
 
After looking up some average volley ball serves, I guess it's actually not too far fetched. And yes, that's in ft/s
 
CGI said:
After looking up some average volley ball serves, I guess it's actually not too far fetched. And yes, that's in ft/s

If you want, you could work out whether the serve makes it over the net. I may have been too optimistic in my earlier post!
 
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CGI said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


I know that this could be solved through kinematics.

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought that I could use the range equation to solve for Vo, but since there is an initial height, I don't think that could work. I thought that maybe I could use the height of a projectile equation

30 = 3 + (Vo^2sin^2(78)/(2g)) but the numbers don't work out for me.

I would really appreciate the help right now!

What is your numerical answer? Why do you think it is wrong?

As far as I can see your equation is correct, and as long as you are careful to use units consistently you ought to get the right answer.

Note added in edit: your post containing the numerical solution (in fact, all of posts # 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) appeared on my screen only after I pressed the 'enter' key; that type of thing happens to me a lot on this Forum. My answer agrees with yours.
 
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Awesome! Thanks everyone! You really helped me understand this!
 

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