Find the max speed so that an electron doesn't hit the plate

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves an electron being fired at an angle between two parallel plates with an electric field present. The objective is to determine the maximum initial velocity, V0, that allows the electron to avoid hitting the upper plate. The context includes kinematics and the effects of an electric field on the motion of the electron.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the initial velocity and the angle of projection, questioning how to incorporate time into the equations. There is a focus on the conditions under which the electron will not hit the upper plate, with some suggesting that the final vertical velocity at the peak should be zero.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different equations and relationships. Some guidance has been provided regarding the conditions for maximizing V0 and the implications of the angle of projection. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive lines of reasoning are being developed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for additional equations to solve for time or V0, and there is an emphasis on the vertical component of the initial velocity. The problem is framed within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the methods available for solution.

Whiteclaws

Homework Statement



An electron is fired from x = 0 with an unknown V0 at 45 degs to the horizontal between two parallel plates separated by 2 cm. Electric field is 103 j N/C. Find:

a) The max value of V0 so that the electrons don’t hit the upper plate
3.75 * 106 m/s

Homework Equations


If you find acceleration, it is essentially a kinetics problem
Eq = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


a = -1.76 * 10^14 j m/s^2
0.02 = v0t -8.8 * 10^13 t^2
Then I have no idea how to solve for either t or V0,
For anybody who has the book university physics, it's number 33
 
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Whiteclaws said:
0.02 = v0t -8.8 * 10^13 t^2
Is the initial velocity in the upward direction Vo? What do you know from the given 45° angle?
Whiteclaws said:
Then I have no idea how to solve for either t or V0,
You need one more equation if you want to involve time.
Instead, you can solve it with only one equation.
If initial vertical velocity is at its maximum (so that the electron doesn't "hit" the upper plate), what should be the final velocity?
 
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cnh1995 said:
Is the initial velocity in the upward direction Vo? What do you know from the given 45° angle?

You need one more equation if you want to involve time.
Instead, you can solve it with only one equation.
If initial vertical velocity is at its maximum (so that the electron doesn't "hit" the upper plate), what should be the final velocity?
V0 is a vector but for simplicity's sake let's assume that it's Vy initial
I'll convert it later
 
I SEE, IF V0 IS MAXIMIZED, THAT MEANS THAT VY AT THE TOP IS 0, SINCE IT'S AN ARC! SO
V^2 = v0^2 + 2adelta y
0 = (Vosin45)^2 + 2a delta y
and you SOLVE FOR VO!
thanks for the HINT!
 

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