Find the possible values for ##a## and ##b## where ##a## and ##b## are integers

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The discussion revolves around finding integer values for ##a## and ##b## given the condition that their least common multiple (lcm) is 2048. Participants are exploring various mathematical manipulations and interpretations of the problem.

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  • One participant attempts to express ##a## and ##b## in terms of powers of 2 and manipulates the equation to find possible values. Others question the validity of certain steps and suggest alternative interpretations of the equations. There is also exploration of different cases based on the signs of ##a## and ##b##.

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The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided insights into potential solutions and transformations of the original problem, while others have raised questions about the assumptions made in the calculations.

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Participants are considering the implications of integer constraints and the nature of the equations derived from the problem setup. There is a focus on ensuring that the values of ##a## and ##b## remain integers throughout the discussion.

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Find possible values for ##a## and ##b## given that ##a,b εℤ##

##\dfrac{1}{a}+\dfrac{1}{b}= \dfrac{3}{2048}##
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I noted that,

##lcm(a,b)=2048##


Letting ##a=2^x## and ##b=2^y##,

##⇒\dfrac{1}{2^x}+\dfrac{1}{2^y}= \dfrac{3}{2^{11}}##

##⇒\dfrac{2^{11}}{2^x}+\dfrac{2^{11}}{2^y}= 3=[4-1]##

##⇒\dfrac{2^{11}}{2^x}+\dfrac{2^{11}}{2^y}=2^2-2^0##

My intention being to write all the numbers to base ##2##.

##2^{11-x} + 2^{11-y} = 2^2-2^0##

##2^{11-x}=2^2, x=9##

##2^{11-y}=-2^0##
##-[2^{11-y}] = 2^0##
##11-y=0, y=11##

Therefore,

##a=2^9=512, b=-2^{11}=-2048##

Your insight is welcome...just picked up this question from internet.

Wondering if there are other possible values for ##a## and ##b##...i need to check if there is a sequence of powers of ##2## for numerator part to make this a possibility.
 
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You have amde a mistake: if <br /> 2^{11 - y} = -1 then there is no solution for real y, since 2^x &gt; 0 for real x. Instead you have <br /> (11 - y) \ln 2 = i\pi. If you want to use this method, you must write 3 = 2^1 + 2^0 not 3 = 2^2 - 2^0.


We have <br /> \frac{3}{2048} = \frac{1}{2048} + \frac{2}{2048} = \frac{1}{2048} + \frac{1}{1024} so that a = 2048, b = 1024 is a solution. Note also that the problem is symmetric, so if (a,b) is a solution then so is (b,a). Or we can do <br /> \frac{3}{2048} = \frac{4}{2048} - \frac{1}{2048} = \frac{1}{512} - \frac{1}{2048}.

A systematic approach is to multiply everything out to get <br /> 2^{11}(a + b) = 3ab so that a + b = 3C and ab = 2^{11}C for some integer C. Then a and b can be recovered as the roots of <br /> x^2 - 3Cx + 2^{11}C = \left( x - \frac{3C}{2}\right)^2 - \frac{9C^2 - 2^{13}C}{4} = 0. We then require that 9C^2 - 2^{13}C = D^2 is a perfect square, and for a and b to be integers we require 3C \pm D to be even.
 
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...then can i manupilate my equation so that i now have,

##⇒\left[\dfrac{2^{11}}{2^x}+-\dfrac{2^{11}}{2^y}\right]=[4+-1]##?

##⇒[2^{11-x}+-2^{11-y} ]=[4+-1]##?
 
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The problem can be transformed into three problems.

The first one is ## \frac {1}{a} = \frac {2^m}{2048} ## and ## \frac {1}{b} = \frac {2^n}{2048} ## where ## 2^m+2^n = 3 ## and ## m, n \in \mathbb N_0 ##.

The second one is ## \frac {1}{a} = \frac {2^m}{2048} ## and ## \frac {1}{b} = -\frac {2^n}{2048} ## where ## 2^m-2^n = 3 ## and ## m, n \in \mathbb N_0 ##.

The third one is ## \frac {1}{a} = -\frac {2^m}{2048} ## and ## \frac {1}{b} = \frac {2^n}{2048} ## where ## -2^m+2^n = 3 ## and ## m, n \in \mathbb N_0 ##.
 

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