Find the potential V(r, φ) inside and outside the cylinder

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The discussion revolves around finding the potential V(r, φ) inside and outside a cylinder, with participants exploring various mathematical approaches and concepts related to the problem.

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  • Participants discuss starting points, including the use of double integrals in cylindrical coordinates and separation of variables. There is also mention of using Green's functions and solving the Laplace equation. Questions arise regarding the problem's parameters, such as the length of the cylinder and the relevance of the variable z.

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Homework Statement
Consider two thin half-cylinder shells, made of a conducting material, that are the
right and left halves of a cylinder with radius R. They are separated from each other
at φ=π/2 and φ=3π/2 by small insulating gaps.
The left half, for which π/2<φ <3π/2, is held at potential –V0, and the right half,
which has 0<φ<π/2 and 3π/2<φ<2π, is held at +V0.
Find the potential V(r, φ) inside and outside the cylinder.
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Not even sure where to start.
 
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You want to start reading the PF guidelines. This is a second post from you with 'no idea'. I grant you it's not an easy exercise, but before we are allowed to help, you must simply post an effort.
And: 'Unknown' is a nono in PF.
What have you learned so far in your curriculum that might be relevant ?
 
I am thinking to find the inside potential, you take the double integral from 0 to L and 0 to 2π in cylindrical coordinates and do separation of variables
∫∫V(∅,z)sin(v∅)sin(knz)d∅dz
 
nickap34 said:
Find the potential V(r, φ) inside and outside the cylinder.
Is this the literal problem statement ? Because you bring in a ##z## and an ##L## that I don't see in there. Can the cylinder be considered infinitely long ?
 
nickap34 said:
I am thinking to find the inside potential, you take the double integral from 0 to L and 0 to 2π in cylindrical coordinates and do separation of variables
∫∫V(∅,z)sin(v∅)sin(knz)d∅dz

As @BvU says,please show your work. This problem can be solved in number of ways like solving Laplace equation,Using Green's Function,Poisson Integration with boundary conditions,etc. each being elegant though difficult.
 
As @Abhishek11235 stated you would likely want to use Green's functions.

This is a 2D problem in disguise so you want to use the 2D version of the Green's function integral

##\phi(\vec{r}) = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \int \sigma\left(\vec{r'} \right) G\left( \vec{r},\vec{r'} \right) \,da' - \frac{1}{4 \pi} \int \phi_s \frac{\partial G\left( \vec{r}, \vec{r'} \right)}{\partial n'} \, d\ell'##

You should only concern yourself with the second part of this integral since by definition G=0 on the surface.

The green's function normal derivative for a long cylinder should be easy enough to look up, and you know the potential on the surface. Have at it.

But i must say your lack of effort is disturbing.

Typically this problem (Jackson 2.13) is solved using the half-angle substitution but that can get real ugly real fast. When you find the greens function normal derivative, this page

https://math.stackexchange.com/ques...r21-2r-cos-theta-r2-12-sum-k-1-infty-rk-cos-k
will help you make sense of the integral.

Edit: hopefully I am not breaking forum rules by trying to help you.
 
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