Find the power series in x for the general solution of?

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The problem involves finding the power series in x for the general solution of the differential equation (1+x^2)y"+6xy'+6y=0, which falls under the subject area of differential equations and power series solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss deriving coefficients for the power series solution by substituting y, y', and y'' into the differential equation. There are attempts to express results using summation notation and identify patterns in the coefficients.

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Participants are actively sharing their findings and questioning specific steps in their calculations. Some have noted discrepancies between their results and the textbook answer, prompting discussions about potential arithmetic errors and the implications of arbitrary constants in the solution.

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There are mentions of specific values for coefficients leading to assumptions about constants, but the discussion acknowledges that the solution should contain arbitrary constants that are determined by initial conditions.

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Homework Statement


Find the power series in x for the general solution of (1+x^2)y"+6xy'+6y=0.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I got up to an+2=-an(n+3)/(n+1)
for n=1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6...
a3=-2a1
a4=0
a5=3a1
a6=0
a7=-4a1
a8=0
The answer in the book says y=a0sigma from m=0 to infinity of (-1)^m * (2m+1)x2m+a1sigma from m=0 to infinity of (-1)^m * (m+1) x^(2m+1). How do I get the correct answer?
 
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Math10 said:
I got up to an+2=-an(n+3)/(n+1)
for n=1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6...
a3=-2a1

You didn't explain how you got those results. One way to solve this kind of problem is to do manipulations with summations using the ##\Sigma## notation. Another way is to work out cases for specific powers of ##x## until you see how to express the result as a pattern using the ##\Sigma## notation. Which method do your class materials expect you to use ?

Assume ## y = A_0 + A_1 x + A_2 x^2 + A_3 x^3 + ... = \Sigma_{i=0}^\infty A_i x^i##. To start things off, what is the summation that represents ##y'## ?
 
Just like you mentioned, I got those results by finding y, y' and y'' and then plugging those into the differential equation and simplify. But at the end after finding all the values of a3, a4, a5, etc. I don't know how to get to the correct answer in the textbook.
 

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The picture of your work is upside down.
 
Now I believe you can take a look at my work. Sorry about that.
 

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After the step:

## \sum_{n=0}^\infty {(n+2)(n+1)A_{n+2}x^n} + \sum_{n=2}^\infty {(n)(n-1)A_nx^n}+ 6 \sum_{n=1}^\infty {(n)A_n x^n }+ 6 \sum_{n=0}^\infty A_n x^n = 0 ##

I don't see how you concluded ##A_0 = 0 ##

## (2)(1) A_2 x^0 + (3)(2)A_3x^1 + \sum_{n=2}^\infty {(n+2)(n+1)A_{n+2}x^n}##
##+ \sum_{n=2}^\infty {(n)(n-1)A_nx^n}##
##+ (6)(1)A_1x^1 + 6 \sum_{n=2}^\infty {(n)A_n x^n }##
## + 6A_0 x^0 + 6A_1 x^1 + 6 \sum_{n=2}^\infty A_n x^n = 0 ##

## ( 2 A_2 + 6A_0)x^0 ##
## + (6A_3 + 12A_1)x^1##
## + \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} {[ (n+2)(n+1)A_{n+2} + (n)(n-1)A_n + 6nA_n + 6A_n] x^n} = 0 ##

## ( 2 A_2 + 6A_0)x^0##
## + (6A_3 + 12A_1)x^1##
## + \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} {[ n+2)(n+1)A_{n+2} + (n)(n-1)A_n + 6nA_n + 6A_n] x^n} = 0 ##

## ( 2 A_2 + 6A_0) ##
## + (6A_3 + 12A_1)x^1 ##
## + \sum_{n=2}^{\infty} {[ n+2)(n+1)A_{n+2} + ( (n)(n-1) + 6n + 6)A_n] x^n} = 0 ##
 
Okay, so from where you left off above,
2a2+6a0=0
that means a2=0 and so does a0=0.
And (6a3+12a1)x=0,
that means a3=-2a1.
Now what? How to find the answer from here?
 
Math10 said:
Okay, so from where you left off above,
2a2+6a0=0
that means a2=0 and so does a0=0.
And (6a3+12a1)x=0,
that means a3=-2a1.
Now what? How to find the answer from here?
Look at what you have so far:

$$y = a_0(1-3x^2...)+a_1(x-2x^3...)$$
 
Okay, so I got y=a0(1-3x^2-5/3x^4+7/3x^6-3x^8)+a1(x-2x^3+3x^5-4x^7).
 
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Math10 said:
Okay, so I got y=a0(1-3x^2-5/3x^4+7/3x^6-3x^8)+a1(x-2x^3+3x^5-4x^7).
The ##a_0## sum does not match the book answer, but the ##a_1## sum does.
 
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But how do I get to the answer in the book?
 

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Math10 said:
But how do I get to the answer in the book?
Does the answer in the book satisfy the differential equation?
 
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To be honest, I'm not too sure...
 
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Math10 said:
To be honest, I'm not too sure...
What do you get if you substitute their answer term for term?
 
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I still don't get it.
 
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Math10 said:
I still don't get it.
Your methodology looks correct. That's the important part. If their answer is correct and you don't match it, you must have made a simple "arithmetic" error somewhere.
 
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After checking my work, I think I have made a stupid mistake.
Now I got y=a0(1-3x^2-5x^4+7x^6-9x^8)+a1(x-2x^3+3x^5-4x^7). Does this match the answer in the book?
 
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Math10 said:
2a2+6a0=0
that means a2=0 and so does a0=0.
No, it doesn't imply a definite value for ##A_0## or ##A_2##. (After all, the solution to a differential equation should contain some arbitrary constants that are determined only when you are given some initial conditions.)
 
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Math10 said:
Now what? How to find the answer from here?
##A_2 = - 3 A_0 ##

##A_3 = - 2 A_1 ##

## A_{n+2} = -\frac{n^2 + 5n + 6}{(n+2)(n+1)} A_n = -\frac{(n+2)(n+3)}{(n+2)(n+1) } A_n ##

So we can take ##A_0## and ##A_1## as the arbitrary constants and express all the other ##A_i ## in terms of ##A_0 ## and ##A_1 ##.
 
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Math10 said:
After checking my work, I think I have made a stupid mistake.
Now I got y=a0(1-3x^2-5x^4+7x^6-9x^8)+a1(x-2x^3+3x^5-4x^7). Does this match the answer in the book?
You should be able to determine this yourself. The answer does match.
 
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Chestermiller said:
You should be able to determine this yourself. The answer does match.
Thank you so much for the great help! You've made this type of problem much easier to solve now.
 

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