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The discussion revolves around finding the projection of a vector v onto a subspace W defined by a given basis. The vector v is specified as (2, 1, 4, 0)T, and the subspace W has a basis consisting of three vectors.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the application of the projection formula for vectors and question its validity for subspaces. There is discussion about generating an orthogonal basis for W to facilitate the projection process. Some participants also express uncertainty about how to handle the infinite nature of subspaces in the context of the formula.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the steps needed to project the vector onto the subspace, with some suggesting the generation of an orthogonal basis as a necessary step. There is acknowledgment of the challenges involved in calculating orthonormal bases, and participants are sharing thoughts on tools that might assist in this process.

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There is a mention of the projection formula's limitations when applied to subspaces and the need for an orthogonal basis to use the formula effectively. The original poster is grappling with the concept of projecting onto an infinite set of vectors.

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Homework Statement



the given vector v and subspace W.

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Let W be the subspace with basis {(1 1 0 1)T, (0 1 1 0)T, (-1 0 0 1)T} and v = (2 1 4 0)T.


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ProjWv = (<W, v> / <W, W>) * W

The Attempt at a Solution



So I'm trying to wrap my head around this problem by imaging a simpler setup, say, v = (2 1)T and W = span{(1 0)T, (0 1)T}. Visually I see a plane in R2 with the vector (2 1)T sticking out and then any other vector in R2 projected upon it. As for the formula for projection, I'm not sure how I can input a subspace W, an infinite set of vectors. What's up with that? Where do I go?
 
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That projection formula only holds for vectors since, like you've noted, there's not an inner product for subspaces.

However, you CAN use that formula to project onto a subspace if you have an orthogonal basis. So, generate an orthogonal basis for W and then project v onto each of those vectors. Then add up the results.
 
stringy said:
That projection formula only holds for vectors since, like you've noted, there's not an inner product for subspaces.

However, you CAN use that formula to project onto a subspace if you have an orthogonal basis. So, generate an orthogonal basis for W and then project v onto each of those vectors. Then add up the results.

Will do. By the way, do you know of any orthonormal basis calculators/applets? I couldn't find any through Google.
 
Yeah, calculating ONBs is not fun. I know some computer systems can do it, like Mathematica. I don't know of anything on the web though. However, if you're using the projection formula as you have it written, the basis vectors don't have to be unit length. If you wrote

[tex]proj_w \ v = <v,w>,[/tex]

with basis vector w, THEN they'd have to be unit length.

So you only need an orthogonal basis. And those basis vectors that you wrote are already almost an orthogonal basis!
 

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