Find the velocity of the electrons at the end of the plates

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The discussion revolves around determining the velocity of electrons at the end of parallel plates in an electric field. Participants are exploring the relationship between the distance traveled by the electrons and their velocities, considering the effects of acceleration due to the electric field.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the use of kinematic equations to find the distance Δy and the velocities vx and vy of the electrons. There are attempts to relate uniform motion and constant acceleration, with some questioning how to derive expressions for the velocities at the end of the plates.

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The discussion includes various attempts to clarify the relationships between the components of motion. Some participants have provided hints and suggestions, while others express uncertainty about how to proceed with the calculations. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the setup and the necessary equations.

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Participants mention constraints such as the need to use specific variables (e, m) for charge and mass, and the challenge of relating different components of motion under the influence of an electric field.

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Hey guys, I'm having some trouble figuring this part out, so I've done most of this problem just can't figure out this part...so here is the question. (Sorry in advance as I don't know how to use LaTeX on here).
What is the distance Δy between the two points that you observe? Assume that the plates have length d, and use e and m for the charge and the mass of the electrons, respectively.

The diagram: http://puu.sh/bERqv/67e68b7551.png

I'm having a hard time figuring out delta y2, I figured out y1, as the electron is enters the electric field, using equations x = v0t and y = 1/2at^2 and using equation F = qE, I solved for a, and then solved for y1 = (qEx^2)/(2v0^2m)

As I mentioned above, I'm not sure exactly how to solve for y2, but I know the equations for constant velocity x = x0+vxt and same goes for y, so I eliminate t, and then I'm totally lost as to what to solve for/ vx and vy and finding the expression for the end of the plates.

Thanks
 
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oldspice1212 said:
Hey guys, I'm having some trouble figuring this part out, so I've done most of this problem just can't figure out this part...so here is the question. (Sorry in advance as I don't know how to use LaTeX on here).
What is the distance Δy between the two points that you observe? Assume that the plates have length d, and use e and m for the charge and the mass of the electrons, respectively.

The diagram: http://puu.sh/bERqv/67e68b7551.png
Oh you mean for a CRT.

I'm having a hard time figuring out delta y2, ...
Hint: look at the triangle.
How do you Δy2 is the opposite side of a right-angled triangle. The adjacent side has length L. How would you normally find the opposite side knowing the adjacent and the angle?
 
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Using tan theta ratio, but how would you know the angle?
 
From the angle that the electron leaves the plates - what is the velocity vector of the electron?
 
As the electron enters the field, it follows a curved path.
 
I'm still unsure how exactly to get an expression for vx and vy of the electrons at the end of the plates? How would I go on to combine uniform motion and constant acceleration for between the plates?

(x-x0)/vx = (y-y0)/vy

vx, vy = (x-x0)*(vy)/(y-y0), and the same thing for vy but I have no idea how to relate this to the parallel plate...
 
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I'm still unsure how exactly to get an expression for vx and vy of the electrons at the end of the plates? How would I go on to combine uniform motion and constant acceleration for between the plates?
How did you do this for ballistics?
 
I'm sorry, I don't remember, is it possible you can just show me how to do it, I have some sense as in t = 0 so I'll have x = vxt and y = vyt, but I have no idea at all how to go from there, I've tried many things and spent many hours...x=v0t, y = 1/2at^2, I tried something with this as well got no where. I just can't relate the terms as I did with the first part with this one.

Or if anything I could use a few more hints.
 
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Do each component separately.
At t=0, you know the speed in the y direction and the speed in the x direction.
You also know the acceleration in the y direction and the acceleration in the x direction.
You know some kinematic equations.

If you are having trouble remembering how to do this, just look it up in your notes or online.
Keyword "ballistics".
 
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I got it...all I needed was tan theta = vy/vx and was simple from there.
 

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