Find the volume by revolving around the x-axis without expanding

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a solid generated by revolving a region in the first quadrant, defined by the graph of $$y=(x^2+1)^2$$, the line $$x=1$$, the x-axis, and the y-axis, around the x-axis. Participants explore methods to compute this volume without expanding the integrand.

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  • One participant presents the integral for volume as $$V=\int_{0}^{1}\pi\left(x^2+1\right)^4 \,dx$$ and asks how to evaluate it without expanding.
  • Another participant suggests using repeated partial integration to evaluate the integral, providing a detailed approach but notes that expanding might be easier.
  • A different participant expresses skepticism about finding a way to avoid expansion, suggesting that solving as a function of $$y$$ could be more complex.
  • One participant expands $$\left(x^2+1\right)^4$$ and presents the resulting integral, indicating a shift towards expansion as a preferred method.
  • Another participant points out that the coefficients in the expansion presented by the previous participant are incorrect.
  • A subsequent participant confirms that the integral presented in the expansion is correct after an edit, but notes that the expansion still contains an error in coefficients.

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Participants express differing views on whether it is possible to evaluate the integral without expanding. While some suggest methods that avoid expansion, others find expansion to be the more straightforward approach. There is no consensus on the best method to proceed.

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Participants discuss the complexity of the integral and the challenges associated with different methods of evaluation, including potential errors in coefficient calculations during expansion.

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A solid is generated when the region in the first quadrant enclosed by the graph of , $$y=(x^2+1)^2$$
The line $$x=1$$ , the x-axis, and the y-axis is revolved about the x-axis. Find the volumn

$$
V=\int_{a}^{b}\pi\left[f(x)\right]^2 dx
=\int_{0}^{1}\pi\left[\left(x^2+1\right)^2\right]^2 \,dx
=\int_{0}^{1}\pi\left(x^2+1\right)^4 \,dx
$$

provided this is ok so far, how do you do this without expanding it?
 
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karush said:
A solid is generated when the region in the first quadrant enclosed by the graph of , $$y=(x^2+1)^2$$
The line $$x=1$$ , the x-axis, and the y-axis is revolved about the x-axis. Find the volumn

$$
V=\int_{a}^{b}\pi\left[f(x)\right]^2 dx
=\int_{0}^{1}\pi\left[\left(x^2+1\right)^2\right]^2 \,dx
=\int_{0}^{1}\pi\left(x^2+1\right)^4 \,dx
$$

provided this is ok so far, how do you do this without expanding it?

Hi karush,You can do it by repeated partial integration:
$$\int udv = uv - \int vdu$$
So:
$$\begin{aligned}\int_0^1 (x^2+1)^4 dx
&= (x^2+1)^4 x \Big|_0^1 - \int_0^1 x\cdot d((x^2+1)^4)\\
&= 16 - \int_0^1 x\cdot 4(x^2+1)^3 \cdot 2x\,dx \\
&= 16 - 8\int_0^1 (x^2+1)^3d(\frac 1 3 x^3)
\end{aligned}$$
and repeat...... but it's easier to expand and integrate! ;)
 
Hi Karush (Wave),

Personally, I don't see a way around it...I could be wrong. Solving it as a function of $y$ seems to be even more difficult.
 
ok expanding looks easier so

expanding $\left(x^2+1\right)^4$ would be $x^8+4x^6+x^4+4x^2+1$

so then we have

$$\pi\int_{0}^{1}\left(x^8+4x^6+6x^4+4x^2+1\right) dx$$
 
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Your coefficients aren't quite right...
 
is post #4 correct I edited it..(Dull)
 
Yes, it is. (Yes)
 
karush said:
is post #4 correct I edited it..(Dull)

Yes! Your integral is correct now.
(But your expansion still has the wrong coefficient.)
 

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