Find the work done by the train Kinetic energy problem

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a train's work done, kinetic energy, and velocity. The original poster presents a scenario where a train with a specified mass is propelled by a jet engine, and various calculations related to work and kinetic energy are requested.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between work done and kinetic energy, questioning how to derive velocity from the given data. There are attempts to clarify the connection between work, force, distance, and changes in kinetic energy.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the concepts involved, with participants questioning the need for additional information such as acceleration and time. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between work and kinetic energy, but no consensus has been reached on the specific calculations needed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in unit representation and discuss the implications of work being equal to the change in kinetic energy. There is an acknowledgment of the assumptions made in the problem setup, particularly regarding friction and the initial conditions of the train.

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Homework Statement



In the 1950's, an experimental train that had a mass of 2.50 x 10 to the power 4 kg was powered across level track by a jet engine that produced a thrust of 5.00 x 10 to power 5 N for a distance of 500m.

a.) Find the work done by the train

Work = (500,000)(500)
Work is 250,000,000N

b.) Find the change in kinetic energy (1)

c.) Find the final kinetic energy of the train if it started from rest (1)

d.) Find the final speed of the train is there was no friction (2)

Homework Equations



Kinetic Energy = 0.5 mv^2


The Attempt at a Solution



So I found out the amount of work required easily but now I'm stuck on b, c, and d.

Since I can't figure out the velocity I can't really use the formula KE = 0.5 mass x velocity squared.

How do I find velocity in this question?
 
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The work done by the train is the change in kinetic energy.
 
I don't understand.

Work = Force x Distance

kinetic energy is 0.5 mass x velocity squared

How do I use the numbers given to me to figure out velocity so I can figure out kinetic energy?
 
pokeefer said:
I don't understand.

Work = Force x Distance

kinetic energy is 0.5 mass x velocity squared

How do I use the numbers given to me to figure out velocity so I can figure out kinetic energy?

The train is producing a thrust over a certain distance. Within this distance the thrust is essentially increasing the velocity of the train right?

So the work being done by the train is increasing the velocity of the train.

Work done by train = change in kinetic energy.
 
Hmmm,

If its increasing the velocity then it must have an acceleration but what would the acceleration be then and how much time did it take for the train to go for that distance?
 
pokeefer said:
Hmmm,

If its increasing the velocity then it must have an acceleration but what would the acceleration be then and how much time did it take for the train to go for that distance?

Why would you need all of that for? For general information? I ask since you do not need to find those things to answer the question.
 
Alright, if i DONT need to find those things how do i solve for kinetic energy?
 
rock.freak667 said:
Work done by train = change in kinetic energy.

P.S. On another note, you wrote the wrong units for work in your original post, but that is perhaps not such a big issue.
 
how can work = the change in kinetic energy?

Are you saying work, which is 250,000,000N m = ?? Joules (kinetic energy)
 
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pokeefer said:
how can work = the change in kinetic energy?

Are you saying work, which is 250,000,000N m = ?? Joules (kinetic energy)

In order to increase the velocity, the train must do some sort of work.

Also remember that 1 Nm = 1 J
 
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Alright problem solved.

Thanks for the help.
 
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