Find unknowns in equation going from perfect square? to quadratic format?

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The discussion revolves around solving for unknown coefficients in an equation that transitions from a perfect square to a quadratic format. Participants explore methods for equating coefficients and expanding expressions, focusing on the algebraic manipulation involved in the problem.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Homework-related

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  • One participant describes their approach of expanding the equation and attempting to equate coefficients, but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their results.
  • Another participant suggests reviewing the work and proposes specific values for the coefficients a, b, and c, indicating a potential correction.
  • A third participant emphasizes that the equation must hold true for all x and y in order to solve for the coefficients.
  • A later reply provides a detailed expansion of the equation and lists the coefficients to be equated, ultimately suggesting values for a, b, and c.

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There is no consensus on the correct values for a, b, and c, as participants propose different approaches and values. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the final determination of these coefficients.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of ensuring the equation's validity for all variables involved, which may affect the assumptions made during the solving process.

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Hi all

I'm trying to work out how to answer this type of problem.

$$(6x+2z)^2-64=(ax+2z+8)(-8+bx+cz)$$ where a, b and c > 0

I have attempted the problem by expanding the brackets:

$$=36x^2+24xz+4z^2-64$$

This is the same as $$(6x+2z)^2-(8)^2$$

Then subtracting from either 'side' of the quadratic and multiplying the result:

$$=((6x+2z)-8)*((6x+2z)+8)$$

So visually comparing these results I got
$$a=6\\
b=2\\
c=2$$

But this is wrong.

I think my method may be wrong.

I'm looking for guidance on how to solve this kind of problem.

I hope one of you can help.

Many thanks

Daniel
 
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Hi danielw and welcome to MHB! :D

The method you're using is usually called "equating coefficients" and it's a good approach. Review your work and try $a=b=6,\,c=2$.
 
Note that, in order to be able to solve for a, b, and c, the equation must be true for all x and y.
 
danielw said:
\text {Solve for }a,b,c: \;(6x+2z)^2-64\:=\: (ax+2z+8)(bx+cz-8)
\text{Expand: }\;36x^2 +24xz + 4z^2 - 64 \;=\;abx^2 + acxz - 8ax + 2bxz +2cz^2 - 16z + 8bx + 8cz - 64

\text{Equate coefficients: }\;\;36 \:=\:ab, \quad 24 \:=\:ac + 2b, \quad 4 \:=\:2c, \quad 8b-8a - 0, \quad 8c - 16 \:=\:0

\text{And we get: }\;\;\boxed{ a = 6,\;b = 6,\;c = 2}
 

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