Find Velocity and Time from an Acceleration vs Time Graph

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a rocket car subjected to constant acceleration followed by deceleration. Participants are tasked with determining the maximum speed of the car and the time at which it stops, based on an acceleration vs time graph.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the area under the acceleration vs time graph to the velocity of the car, expressing uncertainty about the final time and acceleration. Participants discuss when the maximum speed occurs and whether it is at the moment the brakes are applied. There are inquiries about the relationship between the area of the triangle on the graph and the time it takes for the car to stop.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring various interpretations of the graph and the relationships between the areas and velocities. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the triangle's area and the concept of similar triangles, but no consensus has been reached on the final time when the car stops.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a specific ratio in the triangle on the graph, which some participants express uncertainty about. Additionally, the discussion includes references to units of time and the need to ensure proper calculations throughout the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement


The rocket car is subjected to a constant acceleration of Ac = 6 m/s^2 until T1 = 15 s.
The brakes are then applied which causes a deceleration at the rate shown until the car stops. Determine the maximum speed of the car and the time T when the car stops.

Homework Equations


Area of Rectangle = L x W
Area of a Triangle = 1/2(b)(h)

The Attempt at a Solution


So I know that the area under the curve for an acceleration vs time graph would represent the velocity, but without having what the final time T was or what the final acceleration was, I'm not sure how to go about it. I know that at 15 seconds, the velocity is 90 m/s and that's about it.

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Any help would really be appreciated!
 
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Are you asking about the first part of the question: getting the maximum speed? If so, at what time does maximum speed occur? Before the brakes are applied, after the brakes are applied, or at the instant the brakes are applied?
 
I would say before the brakes, so that must mean that the 90 m/s IS the maximum speed that car attains.

Is that correct?
 
Yes, the car is picking up speed all the way until the brakes are applied. So, maximum speed occurs at t = 15 s.
 
Okay that just leaves me with finding the time at which it stops. So that means the velocity should equal zero which means that the area of the triangle should also be equal to 90 which I think might help, how exactly would I go about finding the time?
 
CGI said:
So that means the velocity should equal zero which means that the area of the triangle should also be equal to 90
Good!
how exactly would I go about finding the time?
Note the little triangle with sides of ratio 1 to 2.
 
Oh I forgot to ask about that! Unfortunately, I'm not entirely sure about what that means..
 
CGI said:
Oh I forgot to ask about that! Unfortunately, I'm not entirely sure about what that means..
It allows you to get the slope of this part of the acceleration graph.
 
Okay, so the slope is rise over run, which would mean that the slope here is 1/2 right? But I'm not sure how I would use that to get the time :confused:
 
  • #10
Try to write an expression for the area of the triangle of the graph in terms of the time interval Δt (between t1 and t).
 
  • #11
Hmmm.. it seems like the only thing I can think of is the integral from t1 to t of the area of the triangle is equal to the velocity. Is that in the right direction?
 
  • #12
CGI said:
Hmmm.. it seems like the only thing I can think of is the integral from t1 to t of the area of the triangle is equal to the velocity. Is that in the right direction?
Yes. And the integral is just the area of the triangle. You are ultimately looking for the base of that triangle. Can you express the height of the triangle in terms of the base? You can use similar triangles with one triangle being the little triangle with sides 1 and 2.
 
  • #13
Would the height just be equal to half the base?
 
  • #14
Yes.
 
  • #15
Okay, so the integral would be:

90 = integral of b^2/4dt from 15 to t? Which becomes b^3/12t?
 
  • #16
CGI said:
Okay, so the integral would be:

90 = integral of b^2/4dt from 15 to t? Which becomes b^3/12t?

b^2/4dt is the integral (i.e., the area of the triangle).
 
  • #17
Okay so something more like this?

90 = (t^2 - 225)/4 in which case, t = 24.2?
 
  • #18
I should have said that b2/4 is the area (instead of b2/4 dt). You know what this area must equal. So, what do you get for the base b?
 
  • #19
I get 18.97 for the b. Which would be the answer for t right?
 
  • #20
I agree with your answer for b (assuming you're still using the second as a unit of time). But I don't agree with your answer for the instant of time t when the car comes to rest.
 
  • #21
Wait! But that's just the base of the triangle..
Wouldn't t be the 15 + 18.97?
 
  • #22
Yes. Don't forget the units.
 
  • #23
Wow! Thank you so much! I don't understand why that took me so long, but I appreciate all the help today!
 
  • #24
OK. Good work.
 

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