Find Velocity: Easy Method to Solve Complex Physics Problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the conservation of momentum and energy principles, as illustrated in an attached diagram. Participants are exploring methods to determine the velocities of a block and a wedge in a system where gravitational forces are at play.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using free body diagrams and equations but express concerns about the complexity and time required for traditional methods. Some suggest writing energy equations for different states of the system. Others raise questions about the assumptions made regarding the velocities of the block and wedge, and how to relate them through conservation laws.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts to apply conservation principles. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the velocities of the block and wedge, but there is no clear consensus on the next steps or methods to proceed.

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Participants note the challenge of determining the velocities involved, with some expressing uncertainty about their assumptions. The problem setup includes gravitational forces and requires careful consideration of momentum and energy conservation.

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I have attached a picture. The question is in the diagram itself.


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I tried to solve it by drawing free body diagrams and writing the equations but that seemed enormous and complex too and it seems that it will take a lot of time to solve it by that method. I know that this problem requires me to apply conservation of momentum and energy conservation principle but how? No doubt it can be solved by the traditional method but it would be too long and calculations will be extremely complex. There must be some easier way to do this.
 

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Can you write the equations for energy at the two states of the system, before and after the slide?
 
If I assume the final velocity of wedge to be v[itex]_{w}[/itex] and of block to be v[itex]_{b}[/itex] wrt ground then using conservation of energy

mgh=(Mv[itex]_{w}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex])/2+(mv[itex]_{b}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex])/2

Now what to do next?
 
utkarshakash said:
Now what to do next?
utkarshakash said:
...this problem requires me to apply conservation of momentum...

:wink:
 
Pranav-Arora said:
:wink:

I know that I have to apply conservation of momentum. But I don't even know the velocities. I have only assumed them according to my convenience. Nevertheless if you want me to try using that here's it

Along X-axis(taking left direction as -ve)
[itex]\vec{P}_{initial}[/itex]=0
[itex]\vec{P}_{final}[/itex]=-Mv[itex]_{w}[/itex]+??

Here the problem arises. I don't know what is the velocity of block in the x-direction. How do i proceed?
 
The work done by gravity equal to MgSinθ°d
This energy is tranlated to final kinetic energy at the bottom.
Since both objects experience same force(Newton's 3rd Law), the momentum of for each object is equal and opposite.
 
utkarshakash said:
I know that I have to apply conservation of momentum. But I don't even know the velocities. I have only assumed them according to my convenience. Nevertheless if you want me to try using that here's it

Along X-axis(taking left direction as -ve)
[itex]\vec{P}_{initial}[/itex]=0
[itex]\vec{P}_{final}[/itex]=-Mv[itex]_{w}[/itex]+??

Here the problem arises. I don't know what is the velocity of block in the x-direction. How do i proceed?

Assume that the velocity of block when it reaches the bottom is vb. Equate the initial and final momentum. You will get a relation between vb and vw. Use that relation in the energy equation.
 

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