Finding a field line of a vector field

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The discussion revolves around finding the field line of a vector field represented in spherical coordinates, specifically the electric field \(\vec{E}(\vec{r}) = \frac{m}{4 \pi r^3} (2 \cos\theta, \sin\theta, 0)\) through a given point. Participants are exploring the implications of using spherical coordinates in the context of vector fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the equations governing the field line but expresses confusion over the integration process and the role of scale factors. Some participants question the correctness of the problem statement and suggest that the approach may be more suited to Cartesian coordinates.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering clarifications on notation and suggesting alternative interpretations of the equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the necessary adjustments when transitioning from Cartesian to spherical coordinates, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity in the problem statement, with participants discussing the need for clarity on the original formulation. The use of spherical coordinates introduces complexity, and the implications of scale factors in the equations are under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement



Find the field line of

\vec{E}(\vec{r}) = \frac{m}{4 \pi r^3} (2 \cos\theta, \sin\theta, 0)

through the point (a, b, c)

(Spherical coordinates).

m is a constantI know the answer, but I don't see what I do wrong.

The Attempt at a Solution



\frac{d\vec{r}}{d \tau} = C \cdot \vec{E}(\vec{r}(\tau))

\frac{dr}{d \tau} = C \cdot \frac{m}{4 \pi r^3} 2 \cos\theta
\frac{d\theta}{d \tau} = C \cdot \frac{m}{4 \pi r^3} \sin\theta
\frac{d\phi}{d \tau} = 0

By setting C = \frac{4 \pi}{m} I get

\frac{dr}{d \tau} = \frac{ 2 \cos\theta}{r^3}
\frac{d\theta}{d \tau} = \frac{\sin\theta}{r^3}
\frac{d\phi}{d \tau} = 0

To get rid of r^3 I divide \frac{d\theta}{d \tau} by \frac{dr}{d \tau} (must not be zero and so on) and get

2 \tan^{-1}\theta \frac{d\theta}{d \tau} = \frac{dr}{d \tau}

Then I multiply both sides with d\tau (which is a somewhat mysterious operation to me).

After integration I obtain 2 \log (\sin\theta) = r + const. I could of course determine the const and so on, but this isn't the answer anyway.

Where's the error and why?

Scale factors? But if so, why?
 
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##\text{tan}^{-1} \theta## is the inverse tan function. That is, it is the angle that has tan equal to ##\theta##.

I think you want ##\text{tan} \theta \frac{dr}{d\tau} = 2 \frac{d\theta}{d\tau}## meaning ##\frac{dr}{d\theta} = \frac{1}{2} \text{tan} \theta##
 
EDIT: See my post below.
 
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After staring at this for a bit, I think the whole problem statement is wrong. Could you please provide the original problem statement as it was given with no modifications?

I say this because you should have started with something like ##\vec E(x, y, z, t) = E_x \space \hat i + E_y \space \hat j + E_z \space \hat k##.

I'm guessing this would reduce to ##\vec E = E_x \space \hat i + E_y \space \hat j## due to the zero component.

Then you would simply solve ##\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{E_y}{E_x}##.
 
Ok, the notation might not be the best, \tan^{-1} \theta above is meant to be 1 / \tan\thetaThe problem statement is unmodified, with the exception of the coordinates of interest that I generalized. It's given in spherical coordinates (or practically in polar as you said)

I get the right answer if I use the scale factor $$r$$ (used in your expression):

$$\frac{dr}{d \theta} = r \frac{E_r}{E_{\theta}}$$

So I think I made my error here

$$\frac{d\vec{r}}{d \tau} = C \cdot \vec{E}(\vec{r}(\tau))$$

which seems to hold for cartesian coordinates only.

To generalize I seem to require something like this, but I can't convince myself of it.

$$\frac{d\vec{r}}{d \tau} = C \cdot \frac{1}{h_i} \vec{E}(\vec{r}(\tau))$$

With
$$h_{\theta} = | \frac{ \partial{\vec{r}} }{ \partial{\theta} }| = r$$
 
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Or is the field expressed in spherical coordinates?
 
Yes my bad if it's unclear, everything is in spherical coordinates.

theta would be the angle measured from the z axis

Ok, in a general case a change in cartesian coordinates can be described like this with other (normalized, orthogonal) base vectors \vec{e_i}

$$ d\vec{r} = \sum_{i=1}^{3} h_i \vec{e_i} du_i $$

So I guess

$$\frac{d\vec{u}}{d \tau} = C \cdot \frac{1}{h_i} \vec{E}(\vec{u}(\tau))$$

could make sense.
 
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