Finding A Second Solution For A DE Via Reduction Of Order

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The discussion revolves around finding a second solution to the differential equation y'' - 4y' + 4y = 0, given that one solution is y₁ = e²ˣ. Participants are exploring the method of reduction of order to derive a second solution.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply reduction of order by assuming y₂ = u(x)e²ˣ and substituting into the differential equation. They express uncertainty about the next steps after arriving at w'e²ˣ = 0. Other participants question the validity of the provided answer and suggest that the second solution should take the form y₂ = (ax + b)e²ˣ, where a and b are constants.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their interpretations and corrections. Some have identified potential algebra errors and are considering consulting a professor for further clarification. There is no explicit consensus on the correct form of the second solution, and multiple interpretations are being explored.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can access or the methods they can use. There is also a mention of a textbook example that influenced their understanding of the problem.

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I'm given
y''-4y'+4y=0
and there is a solution y_{1}=e^{2x}
Using this I need to find a second solution.

Starting with the assumption:
y_{2}=u(x)*y_{1}
Then:
y=ue^{2x}
y'=2ue^{2x}+u'e^{2x}
y''=4ue^{2x}+2u'e^{2x}+u''e^{2x}+2u'e^{2x}

When I substitute back into the original equation, after doing the cancellation I wind up with:
u''e^{2x}=0
Then using the following order reduction:
w=u'
I get:
w'e^{2x}=0
I'm not sure what to do next here. The example in my textbook had two terms, and they used an integrating factor. How can I go about solving this problem? The answer given in the book is:
y_{2}=e^{2x}
 
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so
w' e2x=0
reduces to
w'=0
which is easy to solve
the answer given is wrong it should be
y2=(a x+b)e2x
where a and b are any numbers except a is not 0
 
I actually found a silly algebra error, so there should be two terms. However the answer is even stranger. I'll talk to my prof about it, thanks for looking!
 
You were right the first time
w' e2x=0
reduces to
w'=0
notice when y is a solution so is y'-2y or conversely when
y'-2y=e2x
y is a solution of
y''-4y'+4=0
 
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lurflurf said:
You were right the first time
w' e2x=0
reduces to
w'=0
notice when y is a solution so is y'-2y or conversely when
y'-2y=e2x
y is a solution of
y''-4y'+4=0

I guess that does work. Thanks!

EDIT: I'm not sure how though. You have that w'=0, but how do you then solve for y being e^2x?
 
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