Finding 'a' when 'x' is given as a function of 't'.

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The discussion revolves around finding the acceleration of a particle given its position as a function of time, specifically where the position is defined by the equation x² = t² + 1. Participants are exploring the process of differentiation to derive acceleration from this position function.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the position function, with some expressing uncertainty about how to find the first and second derivatives. There are inquiries about the application of the chain rule and the correct algebraic manipulations involved in the differentiation process.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts at differentiation and seeking clarification on their methods. Some have noted discrepancies between their results and expected answers, prompting requests for step-by-step guidance. There is a mix of exploration of calculus concepts and attempts to clarify misunderstandings.

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Some participants express confusion regarding their previous calculus knowledge and the application of differentiation rules, indicating a need for foundational clarification. There are also mentions of using online calculators, which may contribute to misunderstandings in the differentiation process.

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Hello everyone! I have this question given to me by a friend and the question is:
Position of a particle x is given by x^2=t^2 + 1, t is time in second, find acceleration for time t.

So this is what I decide to do:
x^2 = t^2+1
so
x = sqrt(t^2+1)
if you double differentiate the function on RHS
You get:
(t^2+1)^-3/2 or 1/(t^2+1)^3/2

I'd be grateful if you give me the steps for finding the answer (including the steps for finding out the derivative, because I used an online calculator).
 
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Noob245 said:
Hello everyone! I have this question given to me by a friend and the question is:
Position of a particle x is given by x^2=t^2 + 1, t is time in second, find acceleration for time t.

So this is what I decide to do:
x^2 = t^2+1
so
x = sqrt(t^2+1)
if you double differentiate the function on RHS
You get:
(t^2+1)^-3/2 or 1/(t^2+1)^3/2

I'd be grateful if you give me the steps for finding the answer (including the steps for finding out the derivative, because I used an online calculator).

Are you saying you don't know how to determine the derivative of the right hand side? If not, show us how you get the first derivative?
 
Chestermiller said:
Are you saying you don't know how to determine the derivative of the right hand side? If not, show us how you get the first derivative?

No, I do not know how. :(
 
It's the standard derivation of a function... hint: think how you can express roots as powers and think what the derivative of a power is...
Good work
 
Noob245 said:
No, I do not know how. :(
Have you had calculus yet?
 
Yes; I tried double differentiating it but my answer didn't match the one given in the calc. the answer I got was

-1/(t^2+1)^-3/2

This mistake is all the more reason I want the steps. I know that if you double differentiate 'x' I get 'a' but for some reason by answer does not even come close to the original answer. It'd be really kind of you guys if you could just tell me if I was correct or wrong, and if wrong where I went wrong and how I should proceed further.
 
Have you heard of the chain rule?
 
Noob245 said:
Yes; I tried double differentiating it but my answer didn't match the one given in the calc. the answer I got was

-1/(t^2+1)^-3/2

This mistake is all the more reason I want the steps. I know that if you double differentiate 'x' I get 'a' but for some reason by answer does not even come close to the original answer. It'd be really kind of you guys if you could just tell me if I was correct or wrong, and if wrong where I went wrong and how I should proceed further.
From this answer, it just looks like all you did was make a mistake in algebra. So us the details so we can see if we can spot it.

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GUYS GUYS! Forget about the calculus, please tell me if the algorithm I gave for sum is correct or not? If not, tell me the correct algorithm and the solution so I can try it out and match my answer.
 
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What algorithm?

How about you try the first derivative first?
##x = \sqrt{t^2 + 1}## - what is dx/dt? You are right that the derivative of ##\sqrt{u} = u^{\tfrac12}## is ##\tfrac12 u^{-\tfrac12} = \frac{1}{2 \sqrt{u}}##. But as the square root is over t² + 1, not u, you will need the chain rule like SteamKing said.
 
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Noob245 said:
GUYS GUYS! Forget about the calculus, please tell me if the algorithm I gave for sum is correct or not? If not, tell me the correct algorithm and the solution so I can try it out and match my answer.

You didn't give any detail about what you did... haw are we supposed to know where and why and what you did wrong?
 

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