Finding Acceleration of Blocks Connected by String

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The problem involves two blocks connected by a string, one on a table and the other hanging off the edge. The blocks have different masses, and coefficients of static and kinetic friction are provided. The goal is to determine the acceleration of the system when released from rest.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relevance of the coefficient of kinetic friction, with one questioning its necessity in the context of the problem. There are attempts to apply Newton's second law to each block and considerations about the implications of negative acceleration results.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the results. Some have provided equations and calculations, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the motion of the system and the role of friction.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity regarding the initial conditions and the implications of the coefficients of friction on the system's ability to move. Participants are also considering the scenario where the system may not move at all based on the forces involved.

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Problem: I've been assigned a problem that involves a block on a table that is attached by a string to a block hanging over the edge. They are of different masses, and I am given coefficients for both static and kinetic friction. The former is .50, and the latter is .30. I have to find the acceleration of the system if it is released from rest.

My problem: ok, so do I need to use the coefficient of kinetic friction at all? I do not think so...that's pretty much my question.
 
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I got a negative answer..
 
Can you show what equations you used? Kinetic friction should be used for surfaces moving relative to each other.
 
Hi ƒ(x)! :wink:

Do good ol' Newton's second law on each block separately, plus the fact that their accelerations must be the same (because the string length is constant).

What do you get? :smile:
 
m1 (on table) = 10 kg
m2 = 4 kg

.5*Fn = Fs
.5*10*9.8 = 49 N = Fs

Fnet = Fx - Fs = 4*9.8 - 49 = -9.8 N

ma = -9.8
a = -9.8/m = -9.8/(4+10) = -.7 m/s/s
 
ƒ(x) said:
m1 (on table) = 10 kg
m2 = 4 kg

ohh! you didn't give the masses before :rolleyes:

no wonder you got a negative answer
.5*Fn = Fs
.5*10*9.8 = 49 N = Fs

Fnet = Fx - Fs = 4*9.8 - 49 = -9.8 N

ma = -9.8
a = -9.8/m = -9.8/(4+10) = -.7 m/s/s

That doesn't make sense … how can the mass be accelerating upward?

What does it mean if the weight is less than the µsN ?
 
I'm guessing it means that the system isn't moving.
 
ƒ(x) said:
I'm guessing it means that the system isn't moving.

(why guessing? :rolleyes:)

That's right! …

if the system is released from rest, it will never move (even though if it was given a little nudge, the low µk would enable it to keep accelerating). :smile:
 

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