Finding Area Under Parametric Curves: What Formula Should You Use?

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The discussion revolves around the area under parametric curves, specifically the formulas used to calculate this area and the implications of different parameterizations. Participants explore the conditions under which different formulas apply and seek clarification on examples related to these formulas.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it matters if the parametric equations are defined as $$x=f(t)$$ and $$y=g(t)$$ and asks if both formulas $$\int_\alpha^\beta g(t)f'(t)dt$$ and $$\int_\alpha^\beta g'(t)f(t)dt$$ are valid.
  • Another participant responds that while both formulas can be used, they trace different areas: the first traces the area between the curve and the x-axis, while the second traces the area between the curve and the y-axis.
  • A request is made for an example using the formula $$\int_\beta^\alpha f(t)g(t)dt$$, with a specific suggestion to use $$x=-6(\theta-\sin \theta)$$.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of tracing the curve from the lowest to the highest x-coordinate and the need to swap integral boundaries if the parameterization starts from the highest x-coordinate.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the area being traced, noting that the problem does not specify which area is desired and that their textbook uses the formula $$\int_\alpha^\beta g(t)f'(t)dt$$ without clarifying the area traced.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the area being calculated is typically assumed to be above the x-axis, bounded by vertical lines on either side.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of using different formulas for calculating area under parametric curves. There is no consensus on which area is intended in the problem, leading to ongoing confusion and debate.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential ambiguity in defining the area to be calculated and the dependence on the specific parameterization used. There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made in the examples provided.

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Hello MHB,
I start read about area of parametric equation and got some problem understanding.
I got two question. here is a link

1. Does it mather if we say $$x=f(t)$$ and $$y=g(t)$$ on $$a \leq x \leq b$$
Does this both formula works?
$$\int_\alpha^\beta g(t)f'(t)dt$$ and $$\int_\alpha^\beta g'(t)f(t)dt$$

2. Could someone give me an exemple on that "Area Under Parametric Curve, Formula II"$$\int_\beta^\alpha f(t)g(t)dt$$

Regards,
 
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Petrus said:
Hello MHB,
I start read about area of parametric equation and got some problem understanding.
I got two question. here is a link

1. Does it mather if we say $$x=f(t)$$ and $$y=g(t)$$ on $$a \leq x \leq b$$
Does this both formula works?
$$\int_\alpha^\beta g(t)f'(t)dt$$ and $$\int_\alpha^\beta g'(t)f(t)dt$$

You can do that, but you'll be tracing a different area.
In the first case you're tracing the curve by changing its x-coordinate and you'll get the area between the curve and the x-axis.
In the second case you're changing its y-coordinate and you'll get the area between the curve and the y-axis.

2. Could someone give me an exemple on that "Area Under Parametric Curve, Formula II"

$$\int_\beta^\alpha f(t)g(t)dt$$

Sure.
Pick the same example as in the article, but with $x=-6(\theta-\sin \theta)$.

The point is that the curve is supposed to be traced from the lowest x coordinate to the highest x coordinate.
If the definition of f(t) means it starts at the highest x coordinate and ends at the lowest x coordinate, you should swap the integral boundaries to compensate.
 
I like Serena said:
You can do that, but you'll be tracing a different area.
In the first case you're tracing the curve by changing its x-coordinate and you'll get the area between the curve and the x-axis.
In the second case you're changing its y-coordinate and you'll get the area between the curve and the y-axis.
Sure.
Pick the same example as in the article, but with $x=-6(\theta-\sin \theta)$.

The point is that the curve is supposed to be traced from the lowest x coordinate to the highest x coordinate.
If the definition of f(t) means it starts at the highest x coordinate and ends at the lowest x coordinate, you should swap the integral boundaries to compensate.
Hello I like Serena,
I am glad that I got a responed, thank you!
I got one question about
I like Serena said:
You can do that, but you'll be tracing a different area.
In the first case you're tracing the curve by changing its x-coordinate and you'll get the area between the curve and the x-axis.
In the second case you're changing its y-coordinate and you'll get the area between the curve and the y-axis.
In the problem it never mention what area they want, I read also from my book and it use the one with $$\int_\alpha^\beta g(t)f'(t)dt$$ but on example it never mention what area tracing or I am confused?

Regards,
 
Petrus said:
In the problem it never mention what area they want, I read also from my book and it use the one with $$\int_\alpha^\beta g(t)f'(t)dt$$ but on example it never mention what area tracing or I am confused?

Paul writes:
We will do this in much the same way that we found the first derivative in the previous section. We will first recall how to find the area under F(x) on $a \le x \le b$.
$$A=\int_a^b F(x) dx$$​

This means he's finding the area between the x-axis and the curve F(x) that is probably assumed to be above the x-axis.
This area is further bounded by a vertical line on the left side and a vertical line on the right side.
 

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