Finding B Using Cross Product in Magnetic Force Equation

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The discussion revolves around finding the magnetic field vector B using the equation F=q(v X B), where F is the magnetic force, q is the charge, and v is the velocity. The original poster presents three experimental scenarios with specific velocity and force-to-charge ratios, aiming to derive the components of B.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the cross product and equate the resulting expressions to derive relationships between the components of B. Some participants question the validity of the force components based on the direction of the velocity vector.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of the original poster's calculations and questioning the assumptions made regarding the directionality of the forces. There is an acknowledgment of a potential typo, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the velocity vectors and the resulting force components, particularly in relation to the physical meaning of the magnetic force equation. The original poster's calculations suggest multiple solutions for the components of B, which raises further questions about the setup of the problem.

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Homework Statement


find B from F=q(v X B), where F is magnetic force, q = charge, v = velocity, B = magnetic field.

Carrying out 3 experiments, we find that if
v_1 = i, (F/q)_1 = 2k - 4j
v_2 = j, (F/q)_2 = 4i - k
v_3 = k, (F/q)_3 = j - 2i

where i,j,k are the unit cartesian vectors

This is the problem 1.4.16 from Arfken's Mathematical methods for physicists

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried adding the v's and F's as follows:
[(v_1 X B)+ (v_2 X B) +(v_3 X B)] = - [(B X v_1)+ (B X v_2) +(B X v_3)] = -[B X (v_1 + v_2 + v_3)] = [(F/q)_1 + (F/q)_2 + (F/q)_3]
=> -[B X (i + j + k)] = [(2i - 4j) + (4i - k) + (j - 2i)] = 2i - 3j + k
=> [B X (i + j + k)] = -2i + 3j - k

multiplying out the cross product, I got: [B X (i + j + k)] = (B_y - B_z)i - (B_x - B_z)j + (B_x - B_y)i
=> B_y - B_z = -2
B_x - B_z = -3
B_x - B_y = -1

and this gives infinitely many solns for B_x, B_y, and B_z

is this correct? or did I screw up somewhere?
 
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proton said:
Carrying out 3 experiments, we find that if
v_1 = i, (F/q)_1 = 2i - 4j
Since v_1 = i, how can F_1 = q(v_1xB) have any component in the i direction?
 
typo on my part
 
come on, can't someone help me?
 

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