Verifying Coordinate System for Electric and Magnetic Forces

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The discussion revolves around verifying a coordinate system used for analyzing electric and magnetic forces, specifically in the context of a charged particle's motion. Participants are examining the relationships between electric field, force, and magnetic field, as well as the implications of velocity direction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are discussing the calculation of electric field strength and the net force on a charged particle. Questions arise regarding the completeness of the velocity description and the correctness of unit conversions in the equations presented. There is also a focus on the implications of the velocity direction on the magnetic force calculations.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the calculations and raised questions about the assumptions made, particularly regarding the velocity vector. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the forces and fields involved, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note that the problem statement only provides scalar speed without direction, which may affect the analysis. There is also mention of the specific context in which these calculations are relevant, such as in mass spectrometry.

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Homework Statement
One proton experiences a force of $$1,10\cdot{10^{-13}}\;N$$ in the direction $$+y$$ due to a electric field
a) Calculate the direction and size of the electric field that causes the force
At a certain moment has a velocity of $$2\cdot{10^5}\;m/s$$
b) Calculate the magnetic field (size and direction) needed to apply so that the proton experienced a net force equal to zero
Data: $$q(p)=1,6\cdot{10^{-19}}\;C$$
Relevant Equations
$$\vec{E}=\dfrac{\vec{F_e}}{q}$$
Newton's second law
$$\vec{F_m}=q(\vec{v}\times{\vec{B}})$$
The attached file is the coordinate system I've used
a) $$\vec{E}=\dfrac{\vec{F_e}}{q}=\dfrac{1,10\cdot{10^{-13}}\hat{j}\;N}{1,6\cdot{10^{-19}}\;C}=6,88\cdot{10^5}\hat{j}\;N/C$$
b) $$\sum{\vec{F_{net}}}=\vec{0}=\vec{F_e}+\vec{F_m}$$
$$-6,88\cdot{10^5}\hat{j}\;N=q(\vec{v}\times{\vec{B}})=q\begin{vmatrix}\hat{i}&\hat{j}&\hat{k}\\v_x&v_y&v_z\\B_x&B_y&B_z\end{vmatrix}=q\left[(v_yB_z-v_zB_y)\hat{i}-(v_xB_z-v_zB_x)\hat{j}+(v_xB_y-v_yB_x)\hat{k}\right]=-qv_xB_z\hat{j}$$
The direction of $$\vec{B}$$ is $$+z$$
So $$\dfrac{6,88\cdot{10^5}\hat{j}\;N}{q\cdot{v_x}}\hat{k}=\vec{B}$$
$$2,15\times{10^{19}}\hat{k}T=\vec{B}$$
Have I done wright?
 

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mcastillo356 said:
At a certain moment has a velocity of $$2\cdot{10^5}\;m/s$$
It looks like you have only listed the scalar speed, not the vector velocity with direction. Was the direction of the proton's motion given in the problem?
 
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Check the units of E in your penultimate equation. You are off by ~##10^{19}##
Notice this balance holds only for a proton at a given speed (velocity actually @berkeman ) and the arrangement is very useful as a velocity selector for a charged particle beam (used in mass spectrometers often)
 
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Hi everybody. berkeman, hutchphd, TSny:
berkeman, the velocity they provide is only the given in the statement

And this other?:
$$-F_e\hat{j}\;N=-q\cdot{v_\color{red}x}\cdot{B_z}\hat{j}\;N$$
$$-F_e=-q\cdot{v_\color{red}x}\cdot{B_z}$$
$$-F_y=-q\cdot{v_\color{red}x}\cdot{B_z}$$
$$B_z=\dfrac{F_y}{q\cdot{v_\color{red}x}}=3,44\;T$$
$$\vec{B}=3,44\;T\hat{k}$$

Salutes to everybody
 
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