Scalar triple product invariance under circular shift proof

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The discussion revolves around proving the scalar triple product invariance for three vectors, specifically the equality ##\hat a \cdot (\hat b \times \hat c) = (\hat a \times \hat b) \cdot \hat c##. Participants are exploring the properties of vector operations and their implications in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate both sides of the equation using vector operations and expresses confusion over the results not matching. Some participants question the nature of the results, particularly whether they should be treated as vectors or scalars.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with one providing a clarification about the nature of the result being a scalar rather than a vector. There appears to be a productive exploration of the definitions and properties of the scalar triple product.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the distinction between vector results and scalar results in the context of the scalar triple product, which is central to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Prove that for any three vectors ##\hat a, \hat b ## and ## \hat c##, ##\hat a \cdot (\hat b \times \hat c)## = ##(\hat a \times \hat b) \cdot \hat c ##

Homework Equations


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## \hat i \cdot \hat i = \hat j \cdot \hat j = \hat k \cdot \hat k = (1)(1)\cos(0) = 1 ##
## \hat i \cdot \hat j = \hat i \cdot \hat k = \hat j \cdot \hat k = (1)(1)\cos(90) = 0 ##

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried this procedure:

1. calculate the inner cross product ##(\hat b \times \hat c)## and ##(\hat a \times \hat b) ##
2. dotting the resulting vector with the third remaining vector (## \hat a ## and ## \hat c ## respectively)
3. I expected that the resulting vectors were identical in terms of their components, but they aren't.


These are the calculations for the LHS of my thesis:

1. ##(\hat b \times \hat c) ##= ##(b_y c_z - b_z c_y)\hat i## + ##(b_z c_x - b_x c_z)\hat j## + ##(b_x c_y - b_y c_x)\hat k##

2. dotting with ## \hat a ##:

## (a_x \hat i + a_y \hat j + a_z \hat k)## ## \cdot [(b_y c_z - b_z c_y)\hat i## + ##(b_z c_x - b_x c_z)\hat j## + ##(b_x c_y - b_y c_x)\hat k]## =
##(a_x b_y c_z - a_x b_z c_y)\hat i## + ##(a_y b_z c_x - a_y b_x c_z)\hat j## + ##(a_z b_x c_y - a_z b_y c_x)\hat k##

Now the calculations for the RHS of my thesis
:

1. ##(\hat a \times \hat b) ##= ##(a_y b_z - a_z b_y)\hat i## + ##(a_z b_x - a_x b_z)\hat j## + ##(a_x b_y - a_y b_x)\hat k##

2. dotting with ## \hat c ##:

## (c_x \hat i + c_y \hat j + c_z \hat k)## ## \cdot [(a_y b_z - a_z b_y)\hat i## + ##(a_z b_x - a_x b_z)\hat j## + ##(a_x b_y - a_y b_x)\hat k]## =
##(a_y b_z c_x - a_z b_y c_x)\hat i## + ##(a_z b_x c_y - a_x b_z c_y)\hat j## + ##(a_x b_y c_z - a_y b_x c_z)\hat k##


Clearly,

##(a_x b_y c_z - a_x b_z c_y)\hat i## + ##(a_y b_z c_x - a_y b_x c_z)\hat j## + ##(a_z b_x c_y - a_z b_y c_x)\hat k##

is not equal to:

##(a_y b_z c_x - a_z b_y c_x)\hat i## + ##(a_z b_x c_y - a_x b_z c_y)\hat j## + ##(a_x b_y c_z - a_y b_x c_z)\hat k##

What am I missing here?

Thank you in advance
 
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You can never get a vector as a result from a scalar product. Your result should be a number.
 
Thank you, I got it! If I don't consider the results as vectors but as normal algebraic expressions, they are perfectly equivalent.
 
pastoreerrante said:
If I don't consider the results as vectors but as normal algebraic expressions, they are perfectly equivalent.

This rings a warning bell for me. It is not a matter of considering the result as a vector or not, the result of the triple product is a scalar and not a vector.
 

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