Finding coefficient of friction

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the coefficient of friction between a car's tires and the pavement, given the car's stopping distance and speed. The context is set on a level road where the car uses anti-lock brakes to stop without skidding.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between force, mass, and friction, with one participant expressing uncertainty about how to proceed without knowing the mass of the car. Another participant suggests that mass will cancel out in the equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the frictional force in the context of Newton's second law. There is an acknowledgment of the role of friction as the net force acting on the car, leading to a clearer understanding of the problem dynamics.

Contextual Notes

There is a discussion about the assumptions regarding the forces acting on the car and the implications of using the frictional force in calculations. The original poster expresses confusion about substituting forces, indicating a need for further clarification on the concepts involved.

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Homework Statement



On a level road with its brakes on, the shortest distance in which a car traveling with 80 km/hr can stop is 95 m. This shortest distance occurs when the driver uses anti-lock brakes which means that that the car brakes without skidding.

I found the deceleration to be 2.599 m/s2

I need to find the coefficient of friction between the tires and the pavement.

Homework Equations



I'm not completely sure.
F=ma?

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know how to solve this problem without mass. My only guess would be to find two equations and set them equal to mass in order to cancel it. I can't seem to find two equations, so perhaps there's another way? Any help would be great. Thanks again.
 
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Yes, you use F=ma. What is the equation for the frictional force? You don't need to worry about the mass, it will cancel out.
 
okay, so the frictional force is described by Ff = u * Fn where the normal force is mass * gravity. So... Ff = u * m * g.

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Okay, So I solved my question. The Ff equals the F in F=ma. The m's did cancel and I found u to equal 0.265. I'm not entirely sure why I can substitute that Ff in for the other F, but my guess would be because the car comes to a complete stop?
 
I'm not entirely sure why I can substitute that Ff in for the other F

I'm not sure what you mean. The F in F=ma is really the net force of all the forces that act on an object (in a specified direction). It is not a specific force in and of itself. So in your problem, the only force acting on the car (in the direction of motion) is the force of friction, which is slowing it down. So in this case F = Ff. Does that help?
 
yeah, that does make sense. I guess I didn't think about that. It is the only force acting against it. okay cool. Thanks!
 

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