What is the coefficient of friction for a pen rolling down a book?

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The discussion revolves around determining the coefficient of friction for a pen rolling down a book, with specific attention to the forces acting on the pen and the conditions of motion. The problem involves concepts from dynamics and friction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between friction and normal force, with attempts to derive the coefficient of friction from given acceleration and forces. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of net force and the distinction between sliding and rolling motion.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of forces acting on the pen. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Newton's second law and the need to express forces symbolically before substituting numerical values. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify the motion type (sliding vs. rolling).

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Participants note specific values such as the mass of the pen and components of weight, as well as the angle of the incline. There is a mention of homework constraints that may affect the approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement
If a pen accelerates down a book at 3.28 m/s/s, what is the coefficient of kinetic friction between the pen and book?
Relevant Equations
from earlier part: Normal force = 0.161 N
mass of pen = 18.7 g
perpendicular component of weight = 0.161 N
parallel component of weight = 0.0869 N
angle of book = 28.3 degrees
I tried using coefficient of friction = friction / Normal force, but needed a value for friction. I then tried to find the friction using a = f/m, but was unsure of which value to plug in for force. Simply finding the force given a and m will not yield the correct answer; the net force must be a difference of two forces.

Any suggestions?
 
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cs44167 said:
Homework Statement: If a pen accelerates down a book at 3.28 m/s/s, what is the coefficient of kinetic friction between the pen and book?
Homework Equations: from earlier part: Normal force = 0.161 N
mass of pen = 18.7 g
perpendicular component of weight = 0.161 N
parallel component of weight = 0.0869 N
angle of book = 28.3 degrees

the net force must be a difference of two forces.
Actually the net force is the sum of all the forces some of which may be negative. Anyway, can you think of two separate forces actng on the pen? If so, write an expression for the net force and set it equal to mass times acceleration. Be sure to use symbols and do not substitute numbers until the very end. BTW, if you are looking for the coefficient of kinetic friction, the pen must be sliding, not rolling as the title of this post suggests.
 
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kuruman said:
Actually the net force is the sum of all the forces some of which may be negative. Anyway, can you think of two separate forces actng on the pen? If so, write an expression for the net force and set it equal to mass times acceleration. Be sure to use symbols and do not substitute numbers until the very end. BTW, if you are looking for the coefficient of kinetic friction, the pen must be sliding, not rolling as the title of this post suggests.

I know the weight acts on the pen directly down, and the friction acts on the pen up the slope of the incline. I also know the components of the weight, where the parallel component is parallel to the slope, and the perpendicular component in perpendicular to the incline and has the same magnitude as the Normal force. I’m just not sure how to input which of these into an equation.
 
If we take the x-axis to be parallel to the slope (in the same direction as that of the velocity or the acceleration of the pen) what equation can you make use Newton's 2nd law for this axis?. You going to use only the x-components of the forces on this x-axis.
 

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