Finding Coefficients for Vector Equivalence: A Trigonometric Approach

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding coefficients for vector equivalence using trigonometric approaches. The original poster is uncertain about the problem's requirements and is exploring the relationship between two vectors and a resultant vector.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the dot product and attempt to express the resultant vector as a combination of two vectors. There are questions about how to derive equations from the vector components and how to find exact trigonometric values.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to set up equations based on the vector relationships. There is an acknowledgment of attempts to solve the problem, but no consensus on the correct coefficients has been reached.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions confusion about the problem statement and the validity of their approach. There is a reference to an online submission process that indicates some proposed solutions may not be correct.

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Homework Statement


A screenshot of the problem:
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Homework Equations


Not sure... possibly the dot product of two vectors?

v*w = a(1)a(2) + b(1)b(2)

The Attempt at a Solution


Part of the problem is that I'm not entirely sure what the question is asking for. I think it's talking about the coefficents for the two vectors which will allow those vectors to produce the same vector as X.

I tried plugging (2*pi/5) into the equations above and adding them together giving me (using decimal approximations because I don't know how to find the exact values):

U + V = -.642 I + 1.260 J

Then I try replacing X for:

8I + 3J = -.642 I + 1.260 J

Which doesn't make much sense to me... should I treat I and J as variables and solve for them? I think I'm on the completely wrong track.
 
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By dumb luck, it appears that you have found that u=1 and v=1 is the solution to your problem. Now you need to go back to find that in some rational manner, rather than simply guessing at the answer.

How about starting by writing
X = u U + v V and then taking a dot product with U? What will that get you?
 
heh, well the problem is that isn't the right answer (it's an online submission process, and apparently 1 is not the correct answer)

Going from another angle, I thought about trying to reduce it to two equations of two variables... something like:

ucos(a)-vsin(a)=8
usin(a)+vcos(a)=3

where a = theta.

If I do that, though, how do I find exact values for sin(2pi/5) and cos(2pi/5)?
 
If you do as I suggested, and write
X = u U + v V = 8I + 3J
then
X.U = u = (8I + 3J).(cos theta I + sin theta J) = 8 cos theta + 3 sin theta
which you can then evaluate. Does that do anything for you?
 
Ah, actually yeah.

solving all the way through

u ~ 5.325
v ~ -6.682

Thanks!
 

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