Finding constants of a quartic equation

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The discussion revolves around finding constants in the quartic polynomial ##4x^4+Ax^2+11x+b##, given that it is divisible by the quadratic ##x^2-x+2##. Participants explore the implications of this divisibility and the relationships between the coefficients.

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  • Participants discuss matching coefficients from the expanded form of the polynomial and question the labeling of parameters such as ##A##, ##a##, and ##b##. Some suggest using the factor theorem and others propose alternative methods involving substitutions.

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There is ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, with some participants providing guidance on how to match coefficients and others questioning the clarity of variable definitions. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being discussed.

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Participants note potential confusion arising from the use of similar symbols for different constants and the implications of the polynomial's divisibility condition.

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Homework Statement
The polynomial ##4x^4+Ax^2+11x+b## where ##a## and ##b## are constants, is denoted by ##p(x)##. It is given that ##p(x)## is divisible by ##x^2-x+2##. Find the values of ##a## and ##b##
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factor theorem
##4x^4+Ax^2+11x+b##≡##(x^2-x+2)(ax^2+mx+d)##
≡##ax^4+(m-a)x^3+(d-m+2a)x^2+(2m-d)x+2d##

##a=4##
##m-a=0, m=4##
##d-m+2a=A##
##2m-d=11##
##2d=b##

##A=1##, ## B=-6 ## is that correct?
 
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chwala said:
Homework Statement:: The polynomial ##4x^4+Ax^2+11x+b## where ##a## and ##b## are constants, is denoted by ##p(x)##. It is given that ##p(x)## is divisible by ##x^2-x+2##. Find the values of ##a## and ##b##
Relevant Equations:: factor theorem

##4x^4+Ax^2+11x+b##≡##(x^2-x+2)(ax^2+mx+d)##
≡##ax^4+(m-a)x^3+(d-m+2a)x^2+(2m-d)x+2d##

##a=4##
##m-a=0, m=4##
##d-m+2a=A##
##2m-d=11##
##2d=b##

##A=1##, ## B=-6 ## is that correct?
Yes.
 
@chwala :
Try to be consistent with labeling of parameters.
In the given quartic polynomial,you use ##A## and ##b##. The question then asks for values of ##a## and ##b##. Then in the unknown quadratic factor, you use ##a## which is all together different from previous ##a## or ##A##, although, by inspection you can determine that this ##a=4## .

In the answer, you have ##A## and ##B##.
 
That was a pretty easy question...i guess i was just over thinking on it... :biggrin: :cool:
 
SammyS said:
@chwala :
Try to be consistent with labeling of parameters.
In the given quartic polynomial,you use ##A## and ##b##. The question then asks for values of ##a## and ##b##. Then in the unknown quadratic factor, you use ##a## which is all together different from previous ##a## or ##A##, although, by inspection you can determine that this ##a=4## .

In the answer, you have ##A## and ##B##.
true, i had seen that but i just ignored ...noted
 
(Using uppercase ##A## and ##B## for the problem), I suppose you could say, if ##x^2-x+2## is a factor of ##4x^4+Ax^2-11x+B##, then by inspection, the other factor must be of the form ##4x^2+mx+\frac B 2 ##.

Multiplying the quadratics gives:
##\left(x^2-x+2\right) \left(4x^2+mx+\frac B 2 \right) = 4x^4+(m-4)x^3+\left(8-m+\frac B 2 \right)x^2 +\left(2m-\frac B 2\right)x +B##.

Match coefficients.

etc.
 
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chwala said:
Homework Statement:: The polynomial ##4x^4+Ax^2+11x+b## where ##a## and ##b## are constants, is denoted by ##p(x)##. It is given that ##p(x)## is divisible by ##x^2-x+2##. Find the values of ##a## and ##b##
Relevant Equations:: factor theorem

##4x^4+Ax^2+11x+b##≡##(x^2-x+2)(ax^2+mx+d)##
≡##ax^4+(m-a)x^3+(d-m+2a)x^2+(2m-d)x+2d##

##a=4##
##m-a=0, m=4##
##d-m+2a=A##
##2m-d=11##
##2d=b##

##A=1##, ## B=-6 ## is that correct?
Not sure it's any easier, but another method is to use ##x^2=x-2## to substitute for ##x^2##, first in the ##x^4## term, then in the resulting ##x^2## term.
The resulting linear expression must equal zero.
 
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haruspex said:
Not sure it's any easier, but another method is to use ##x^2=x-2## to substitute for ##x^2##, first in the ##x^4## term, then in the resulting ##x^2## term.
The resulting linear expression must equal zero.

i do not get this approach ##x^2=x-2## how? from where...
 
chwala said:
i do not get this approach ##x^2=x-2## how? from where...
If p(x) is divisible by ##x^2−x+2## then every solution of ##x^2−x+2=0## makes p(x) zero.
 
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aaaaaah...seen that..thanks haruspex
 

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