Finding Derivative of y = \sqrt{x + f(x^2-1)} at x = 3

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Homework Statement



Let [tex]y=\sqrt{x+f(x^2-1)}[/tex]. Find [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] when x=3, given that [tex]f(8)=0[/tex] and [tex]f'(8)=3[/tex].I missed the lesson for this and am lost on what to do. some guidence would be appreciated. i don't understand the [tex]f(x^2-1)[/tex] inside the bracket.
 
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i spent like an hour trying to figure this out. (need to not miss class!)

my attempt at a solution:

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1+f'(x^2-1)}{2\sqrt{x+f(x^2-1)}}[/tex][tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1+f'(3^2-1))}{2\sqrt{3+f(3^2-1)}}[/tex][tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1+f'(3^2-1))}{2\sqrt{3+f(3^2-1)}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1+f'(8))}{2\sqrt{3+f(8)}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1+3}{2\sqrt{3+0}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{4}{2\sqrt{3}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{2}{\sqrt{3}}[/tex]

this this anywhere near correct? can someone inform me where i went wrong? right of the bat? inbetween??
 
You're very close. However, you forgot to apply the chain rule when you took the derivative of [tex]f(x^2 - 1)[/tex]. That, too, is a composition of function and so you must also apply the chain rule when taking its derivative.
 
am not sure i understand but...would its derivative be[tex]\frac{1}{f(x^2-1)}[/tex]? or could t be [tex]f'(x^2-1)(2x)[/tex]
 
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Not quite. Remember that the chain rule says

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}f(g(x))=f'(g(x))g'(x)[/tex]​

When you have

[tex]f(x^2 - 1)[/tex]​

They're saying that, rather than plugging in the usual x in your variable, you plug in [tex]x^2 - 1[/tex]. For example, let [tex]f(t) = t^2[/tex]. Then, [tex]f(x^2) = (x^2)^2 = t^4[/tex]. So, you have a composition of functions, where, using the notation of the chain rule as stated above,

[tex]f(x) = f(x)[/tex]

[tex]g(x) = x^2 - 1[/tex]​

So, thinking about the chain rule, what would the derivative with respect to x be of [tex]f(x^2 - 1)[/tex]?
 
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Yes, the correct answer is [tex]f'(x^2-1)(2x)[/tex].
 
so new solution is:

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1+f'(x^2-1)(2x)}{2\sqrt{x+f(x^2-1)}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1+f'(8)(2(3))}{2\sqrt{3+f(8)}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1+18}{2\sqrt{3}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{19}{2\sqrt{3}}[/tex]
 
Mothrog said:
Yup.


great. thanks a lot man. really starting to understand.

another problem. i have soloved it, but need to see if i have done it correctly.

Q-skydiver jumps from plane at 3000m. distance fallen in meters after t seconds is:

[tex]s=5t^2[/tex]

During fall, experiences air pressure [tex]p[/tex] that will cause his ears to pop if the rate of change of pressure [tex]\frac{dp}{dt}[/tex] exceeds 2 pressure units/s. suppose that the rate of change of pressure with respect to distance fallen in metres is 0.075 pressure units/m. what time will the sky divers ears pop? At what height will this occur?

Solution attempt:
A)time ears pop

[tex]\frac{dp}{dt}=\frac{dp}{ds}*\frac{ds}{dt}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dp}{dt}=2[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dp}{ds}=0.075[/tex]

[tex]\frac{ds}{dt}= 10t[/tex]

[tex]2=0.075*10t[/tex]

[tex]t=2.7[/tex]

b)height of poping

[tex]s=5(2.7)^2[/tex]
[tex]s=35.6[/tex]
[tex]3000-35.6=2964.4[/tex]
 
Mothrog said:
Yes, that looks right too.

cool. that's 2 out of 4 on the worksheet. onto number three.

suppose that f and g are functions such that:

[tex]f(1)=-\frac{1}{2}[/tex] , [tex]f'(1)=-\frac{2}{3}[/tex] , [tex]g(2)=1[/tex] and [tex]g'(2)=3[/tex]

find [tex]h'(2)[/tex] where [tex]h[/tex] is the composite fuction [tex]h(x)=f(g(x))[/tex].

so in this to get [tex]h'(2)[/tex] i need to just take the derivative [tex]f'(1)[/tex] and multiply it by the derivative [tex]g'(2)[/tex] ?

[tex]-\frac{2}{3} * 3[/tex].

so [tex]h'(2)[/tex] is equal to -2?

it seems wrong to me because i have done it too simply. did i completely miss the mark? or partialy?
 
I think you understand the chain rule, so you should have a good idea whether that is correct or not.