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The discussion revolves around identifying which of several equations is dimensionally homogeneous, focusing on the relationships between force, mass, acceleration, velocity, radius, and time. The equations under consideration include F=ma, F=m(V²/R), and others, with participants exploring the dimensional analysis of each equation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to substitute known values into the equations to analyze their dimensional consistency. Questions arise regarding the proper treatment of units and the implications of dimensional homogeneity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and clarifications regarding the dimensional analysis process. There is an ongoing exploration of the equations, with multiple interpretations being discussed, particularly regarding the potential misinterpretation of the original question about dimensional homogeneity.

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Participants note the importance of expressing quantities in base units for comparison and question whether the original problem statement may have been mis-typed. There is also mention of the dimensional notation using [M], [L], and [T] to clarify the analysis.

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Homework Statement


Which one of the following equations is dimensionally homogeneous?

Where:

F= force (N)
m= mass (kg)
a= acceleration (m/s2)
V= velocity (m/s)
R= radius (m)
t= time (s)

Homework Equations



1. F=ma
2. F=m(V2/R)
3. F(t2-t1)=m(V2-V1)
4. F=mV
5. F=m(V2-V1)/(t2-t1)

The Attempt at a Solution



Through what I can gather from my textbook and the internet, I started by entering what I know. So:
F=ma
becomes:
N=(kg)(m/s2)

From here, I'm not really sure where to go.

F=m(V2)/(R)
becomes:
N=(kg)((m/s2)/(m))

And again, I plug everything in but in my textbook at this point is where they determine if it is or isn't dimensionally homogeneous.

I would really appreciate any guidance on this, I realize it's a super basic question, but you've got to start somewhere! Thank you.
 
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Physics_Grunt said:

Homework Statement


Which one of the following equations is dimensionally homogeneous?

Where:

F= force (N)
m= mass (kg)
a= acceleration (m/s2)
V= velocity (m/s)
R= radius (m)
t= time (s)


Homework Equations



1. F=ma
2. F=m(V2/R)
3. F(t2-t1)=m(V2-V1)
4. F=mV
5. F=m(V2-V1)/(t2-t1)


The Attempt at a Solution



Through what I can gather from my textbook and the internet, I started by entering what I know. So:
F=ma
becomes:
N=(kg)(m/s2)

From here, I'm not really sure where to go.

F=m(V2)/(R)
becomes:
N=(kg)((m/s2)/(m))

And again, I plug everything in but in my textbook at this point is where they determine if it is or isn't dimensionally homogeneous.

I would really appreciate any guidance on this, I realize it's a super basic question, but you've got to start somewhere! Thank you.

Homogeneous usually means "made up of the same types" or words to that effect.

If you express each quantity in base units - m , kg , s - you could compare left to right.

hint: there are two formulas which look very similar, but with one variable different. I would suspect one of those.
 
Physics_Grunt said:
F=m(V2)/(R)
becomes:
N=(kg)((m/s2)/(m))
Try that one again. It seems you forgot to square something or forgot to divide by something. One of the two. :wink:
 
collinsmark said:
Try that one again. It seems you forgot to square something or forgot to divide by something. One of the two. :wink:

Uh, V^2 dimensions are m^2/s^2. You try it again.
 
PeterO said:
Homogeneous usually means "made up of the same types" or words to that effect.

If you express each quantity in base units - m , kg , s - you could compare left to right.

hint: there are two formulas which look very similar, but with one variable different. I would suspect one of those.

Okay, so further googling turned up this(http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/units.html" ) handy chart.

Am I to understand correctly that 1N= 1kg(m/s2) And then using that I can compare left to right? And if the right side doesn't come out to kg(m/s2) it is NOT dimensionally homogeneous?
 
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Physics_Grunt said:
Okay, so further googling turned up this(http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/units.html" ) handy chart.

Am I to understand correctly that 1N= 1kg(m/s2) And then using that I can compare left to right? And if the right side doesn't come out to kg(m/s2) it is NOT dimensionally homogeneous?

Yes. And I don't there is just one that is homogeneous.
 
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Dick said:
Yes. And I don't there is just one that is homogeneous.

I think the question may have been mis-typed on my handout. I think it should read "which one of the following is NOT dimensionally homogeneous?"

When I do the substitutions for F=mV it becomes:

N=(kg)(m/s) or further:

(kg)(m/s2)=(kg)(m/s)

Because the (m/s) on the right is not squared as it is on the left, would this be a correct example of an equation that is NOT dimensionally homogeneous?
 
Physics_Grunt said:
Okay, so further googling turned up this(http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/units.html" ) handy chart.

Am I to understand correctly that 1N= 1kg(m/s2) And then using that I can compare left to right? And if the right side doesn't come out to kg(m/s2) it is NOT dimensionally homogeneous?

That is the task for all but the third one, where the left hand side is not simply F, but has time with it.

I would have the units of F as kgms-2

Perhaps made clearer as kg m s-2 or kg.m.s-2

Often these are actually written "dimensionally" using [M] for mass, [T] for time and [L] for length.

then we would have [M][L][T]-2

That certainly takes care of countries that use pounds instead of kg, and feet instead of metres.

Oh and rest assured - only one of the examples is not homogeneous - perhaps you left the word not out of your original post.
 
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Physics_Grunt said:
I think the question may have been mis-typed on my handout. I think it should read "which one of the following is NOT dimensionally homogeneous?"

When I do the substitutions for F=mV it becomes:

N=(kg)(m/s) or further:

(kg)(m/s2)=(kg)(m/s)

Because the (m/s) on the right is not squared as it is on the left, would this be a correct example of an equation that is NOT dimensionally homogeneous?

certainly would.
 
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Thank you all. Your explanations made it click in my head and I think I have it now.
 

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