Finding dissociation constant for f-

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the dissociation constant for the fluoride ion (F-) based on the dissociation constant of hydrofluoric acid (HF). Participants explore the relationship between the two and the implications of the Brønsted-Lowry theory in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to find the dissociation constant for F- given the dissociation constant for HF.
  • Another participant asserts that F- does not dissociate.
  • A participant speculates that the dissociation constant for F- might be equal to that of HF.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the original question and its wording.
  • One participant suggests that the question may relate to the Brønsted-Lowry theory, indicating a potential connection to acid-base behavior.
  • There is a request for clarification on the Brønsted-Lowry theory and its relevance to the discussion.
  • Participants discuss the need to determine H3O+ concentration and the concentration of the conjugate base (HA-) in relation to the acid dissociation constant.
  • It is noted that knowing the dissociation constant alone is insufficient without the total concentration of the acid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between the dissociation constants of HF and F-. There are competing views regarding the dissociation behavior of F- and the interpretation of the original question.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding the Brønsted-Lowry theory and the need for additional information, such as the total concentration of the acid, to solve the problem effectively.

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If I'm given the dissociation constant for HF, how would I find the dissociation constant for F-?

Thanks in advance.
 
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F- doesn't dissociate.
 
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So is it just the equal to the dissociation constant of the HF acid itself or something
 
I didn't really get the question either
 
My bet is that the question is related to the Bronsted-Lowry theory, just poorly worded.
 
Can you explain what you mean
 
Yes, but I don't see the correlation
 
It simply states that the acids donate H+ and bases accept H+
 
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i understand the equation but I am not sure how to determine H30 concentration and HA- Concentration with just the acid dissociation constant for hydrofluoric acid
 
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LegitSci said:
im not sure how to determine H30 concentration and HA- Concentration

HA- or A-?

Besides, just dissociation constant is not enough. You also need to know analytical (AKA total or formal) concentration of the acid. Then it is just a problem of finding pH of a solution of a weak acid, plenty of sites explaining how to do that (including the one I already linked to, just choose appropriate page using menu on the left).
 

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