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The discussion centers on finding the values of k for which the distance d(u,v) between the vectors u = (2,k,1,-4) and v = (3,-1,6,-3) equals 6. The correct approach involves using the distance formula, leading to the equation 36 = k² + 48, which simplifies to k² = -12, indicating a mistake in the initial calculations. The correct expansion of terms is crucial, as it leads to a quadratic equation with two solutions, highlighting the importance of accurate factorization in vector mathematics.

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Homework Statement


Let u = (2,k,1,-4) and v = (3,-1,6,-3)

For which values of k is the distance d(u,v) = 6?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



6 = √((3-2)2 + (-1-k)2 + (6-1)2 + (-3-4)2)
6 = √(1 + 1 + k2 + 25 + 21)
6 = √(k2 + 48)
36 = k2 + 48
k = √-12

The answers seem to be 6k, -16k and -k or k= 2 and -4 (the answer sheet makes no sense and is mislabeled and unorganized horrifically) and I don't even have a remote idea how to get multiple solutions. I suppose my whole approach is wrong and I can't for the life of me understand what to do (I'm working without any textbooks)

Kind regards
 
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Lanniakea said:

Homework Statement


Let u = (2,k,1,-4) and v = (3,-1,6,-3)

For which values of k is the distance d(u,v) = 6?

Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution



6 = √((3-2)2 + (-1-k)2 + (6-1)2 + (-3-4)2)
6 = √(1 + 1 + k2 + 25 + 21)
6 = √(k2 + 48)
36 = k2 + 48
k = √-12

The answers seem to be 6k, -16k and -k or k= 2 and -4 (the answer sheet makes no sense and is mislabeled and unorganized horrifically) and I don't even have a remote idea how to get multiple solutions. I suppose my whole approach is wrong and I can't for the life of me understand what to do (I'm working without any textbooks)

Kind regards

Remember that ##d(u,v) = ||u-v|| = \sqrt{(u_1-v_1)^2+(u_2-v_2)^2 ... + (u_n - v_n)^2}##, so you're on the right track. Recheck your math.
 
Student100 said:
Remember that ##d(u,v) = ||u-v|| = \sqrt{(u_1-v_1)^2+(u_2-v_2)^2 ... + (u_n - v_n)^2}##, so you're on the right track. Recheck your math.

I redid the working (both d(u,v) and d(v,u) which turn out to be the same so it seems correct this time) and get k = √8

I really have no idea what I'm doing wrong, can you specify where my mistake is? I have a lot more work to catch up on and I'm struggling with the basics...

and by ||u−v|| does this mean the two magnitudes?

So I could solve it by 6 = √(k2+21) - √(55) which gives me k = √2 which is also obviously wrong.

What exactly is my mistake? Am I messing up +/- signs somewhere?
 
Lanniakea said:
I redid the working (both d(u,v) and d(v,u) which turn out to be the same so it seems correct this time) and get k = √8

I really have no idea what I'm doing wrong, can you specify where my mistake is? I have a lot more work to catch up on and I'm struggling with the basics...

and by ||u−v|| does this mean the two magnitudes?

So I could solve it by 6 = √(k2+21) - √(55) which gives me k = √2 which is also obviously wrong.

What exactly is my mistake? Am I messing up +/- signs somewhere?

Your first expansion in the original problem description was wrong, you will get a quadratic which has two solutions.

||u-v|| means the length of some new vector ##\vec{r}## that is the resultant from the vector operation ##\vec{u}-\vec{v}##

My hint is that the expansion of say ##(k+1)^2## is ##(k^2+2k+1)##, not what you're doing. Or ##(k+1)(k+1)=(k+1)^2##
 
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Student100 said:
Your first expansion in the original problem description was wrong, you will get a quadratic which has two solutions.

||u-v|| means the length of some new vector ##\vec{r}## that is the resultant from the vector operation ##\vec{u}-\vec{v}##

My hint is that the expansion of say ##(k+1)^2## is ##(k^2+2k+1)##, not what you're doing. Or ##(k+1)(k+1)=(k+1)^2##

Ah I haven't done any maths in so long I had even forgotten basic factorization, I also thought that (k+1)2 = k2 + 12 for some reason, what a sin of a mistake! Thank you very much my friend.
 
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