Finding fmax in Thin Lens Refraction Problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a thin lens and its focal length in relation to the placement of a light source and a screen. The original poster seeks to determine the maximum focal length (fmax) for which two distinct positions of the lens can produce an image on the screen.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the lens formula to find a quadratic equation in terms of the distance from the lens to the object. Some participants confirm the need for a quadratic equation and suggest that the constants f and L remain unchanged during the process.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided guidance on forming the quadratic equation and confirmed the correctness of the original poster's approach. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the lens position on image size, but no consensus on the final value of fmax has been reached.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes that the lecturer has not published answers for the problem sheet, indicating a lack of reference for verification of their work.

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Homework Statement



Hi all. This is a problem from one of the problem sheets from earlier in the term. I'm just revising for my exam tomorrow and can't solve this one. Here it is:

Consider a light source placed at a fixed distance L from a screen, such that a lens of focal length
f can be placed between the source and the screen. Show that as long as f < fmax there are two
positions where the lens can be placed so that an image is formed on the screen, and find a value for fmax.

Homework Equations



1/s + 1/s' = 1/f

The Attempt at a Solution



I substituted in s' = L-s which gives me:

1/s + 1/(L-s) = 1/f

Given that there are two solutions and the nature of that formula I am guessing I need a quadratic equation and then to solve for s. Not sure how to expand that equation so I can solve for s?

Thanks
 
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multiply both sides by s(L-s) and you will get a quadratic equation.
 
So far so good. f and L are constants, right? Merely solve for s. Yep, you might a quadratic equation with two solutions.
 
Thanks for the help. Got the equation in the form (1/f)s^2 - (L/f)s + L = 0 giving the solutions s= (L±sqrt((L/f)^2 - (4L/f))/2

Does that look good? Lecturer hasn't published answers to this problem sheet for some reason. :(
 
your quadratic equation loo0ks good. I assume you are using the quadratic formula to solve for s. Just make sure you use the quad formula correctly. Note that when the lens is close to the object, the image is large, and when the lens is close to the screen, the image is small.
 
Yep I used the quadratic formula. Thanks for your help. :)
 

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