Finding force from position equation

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The problem involves a 4.50 kg crate suspended from a rope, with an upward force applied and its height described by a cubic position function. The goal is to determine the force acting on the crate at a specific time.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the process of finding acceleration through derivatives of the position function and question the validity of the force calculation. There is also a mention of the importance of including gravitational force in the analysis.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing insights into the differentiation process and the necessity of considering gravitational force. There is acknowledgment of a missing component in the original calculations.

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Participants note potential issues with unit consistency in calculations and the need to account for gravitational force acting on the crate.

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Homework Statement


A 4.50kg crate is suspended from the end of a short vertical rope of negligible mass. An upward force F(t)is applied to the end of the rope, and the height of the crate above its initial position is given by ##y(t) = (2.80m/s)t +(0.61m/s^3)t^3## What is the force at 4 seconds?

Homework Equations


$$F = ma$$

The Attempt at a Solution


Taking the double derivative to get an acceleration equation:
##y'(t) = (3*0.61) t^2 + 2.80##
##y''(t) = a(t) = (0.61*3*2) t = 3.66t##

## F = 4.50 kg * 3.66 * 4.00s = 65.9 N##

Although MasteringPhysics tells me my answer's wrong, it doesn't give any explanation.
 
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omega5 said:

Homework Statement


A 4.50kg crate is suspended from the end of a short vertical rope of negligible mass. An upward force F(t)is applied to the end of the rope, and the height of the crate above its initial position is given by ##y(t) = (2.80m/s)t +(0.61m/s^3)t^3## What is the force at 4 seconds?

Homework Equations


$$F = ma$$

The Attempt at a Solution


Taking the double derivative to get an acceleration equation:
##y'(t) = (3*0.61) t^2 + 2.80##
##y''(t) = a(t) = (0.61*3*2) t = 3.66t##

## F = 4.50 kg * 3.66 * 4.00s = 65.9 N##

Although MasteringPhysics tells me my answer's wrong, it doesn't give any explanation.
Your last equation says force = mass x acceleration x time. Is that what Newton said?
 
I thought 3.66t would give the acceleration since the original equation gives the jerk.
 
One issue is that you didn't carry the units of the constants through your differentiations. Thus your constant in the last equation should be 3.66 m/s3.

A second issue is that I don't see where the force due to gravity on the crate is taken into account.
 
Ah! Thank you very much. That was the missing piece.
 

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