Finding GCD in Gaussian Integers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a generator of the principal ideal <6+7i, 5+3i> in the ring of Gaussian integers Z[i]. Participants explore the concept of greatest common divisors (gcd) within this context, utilizing the Euclidean algorithm and properties of norms of Gaussian integers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the generator must be a gcd of 6+7i and 5+3i, denoting it as d, and expresses uncertainty about how to find d.
  • Another participant recalls the Euclidean algorithm for finding gcd and attempts to apply it, reporting intermediate steps and a potential gcd of 1+4i, but later questions the validity of this result due to a remainder.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of the norm of a Gaussian integer, stating that if d divides a+bi, then the norm of d must divide the norm of a+bi, providing specific calculations for the norms of 6+7i and 5+3i.
  • There is a reiteration of the properties of gcd, noting that it can be expressed in terms of differences of the numbers involved, which relates to the Euclidean algorithm.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants show some agreement on the approach to finding the gcd using the Euclidean algorithm and the significance of norms, but there remains uncertainty regarding the correctness of specific calculations and the identification of the gcd itself.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the calculations and the application of the Euclidean algorithm, indicating that there may be unresolved steps or assumptions in their reasoning.

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The problem asks to find a generator of the principal ideal <6+7i, 5+3i> in Z.

It is my understanding that such a generator must be a greatest common divisor of 6+7i and 5+3i. So, let's call this guy d, we should have d(a+bi)=6+7i and d(c+di)=5+3i.

I'm not really sure how to find d. If I divide 6+7i by a+bi I get \frac{(6a+7b)+(7a-6b)i}{a^2+b^2} and I don't see how this helps.

I'm new to Gaussian integers. Any hints on how to work with them would be appreciated.
 
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Okay I made "progress". Didn't solve it but I have more effort to offer.

I remembered the Euclidean algorithm can be used to find the gcd of two numbers.

it goes like this:
a=q_0b+r \\ b=q_1r_0+r_1 \\<br /> r_0 = q_2r_1+r_2
and so on until the last non-zero remainder, which will be the gcd.

So I did this:
6+7i=(5+3i)(1)+(1+4i) \\<br /> 5+3i=(1+4i)(1-i)+0
so I determined the gcd is 1+4i.
Then I wanted to check that this was actually a divisor of 6+7i, but I got a remainder >_<

So I will now be checking my calculations. Am I on the right track now?

Lol I fixed it! This has been a great help :) Sometimes just knowing you're listening gets the job done. (heart)
 
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ArcanaNoir said:
The problem asks to find a generator of the principal ideal <6+7i, 5+3i> in Z.

It is my understanding that such a generator must be a greatest common divisor of 6+7i and 5+3i. So, let's call this guy d, we should have d(a+bi)=6+7i and d(c+di)=5+3i.

I'm not really sure how to find d. If I divide 6+7i by a+bi I get \frac{(6a+7b)+(7a-6b)i}{a^2+b^2} and I don't see how this helps.

I'm new to Gaussian integers. Any hints on how to work with them would be appreciated.


The norm of a Gaussian integer $a+bi$ is defined as $N(a+bi)=a^2+b^2$.
If we can say $d\ |\ a+bi$, then it follows that $N(d)\ |\ N(a+bi)$.
\begin{array}{}
N(6+7i)&=&85&=&5\cdot 17 \\
N(5+3i)&=&34&=&2\cdot 17
\end{array}
Therefore $N(d)\ |\ 17$.

Furthermore, if we have $d = \gcd(u, v)$, then we also have $d = \gcd(u-v, v) = \gcd(u, v-u)$.
This is the basis of the euclidean algorithm, that can also be applied here.

Edit: Ah! I see you just did so. You'd be on the right track then. :o
 
I like Serena said:
The norm of a Gaussian integer $a+bi$ is defined as $N(a+bi)=a^2+b^2$.
If we can say $d|a+bi$, then it follows that $N(d)\ |\ N(a+bi)$.
\begin{array}{}
N(6+7i)&=&85&=&5\cdot 17 \\
N(5+3i)&=&34&=&2\cdot 17
\end{array}
Therefore $N(d)\ |\ 17$.

Furthermore, if we have $d = \gcd(u, v)$, then we also have $d = \gcd(u-v, v) = \gcd(u, v-u)$.
This is the basis of the euclidean algorithm, that can also be applied here.

Edit: Ah! I see you just did so. You'd be on the right track then. :o
You're so inspirational ILS, you're at the level where you are feeding me insight telepathically!
 

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