Finding 5 Positive Integers with GCD Difference

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The problem involves finding five positive integers such that the positive difference between any two of them equals the greatest common divisor (GCD) of those two numbers. Participants are exploring various approaches and reasoning related to this mathematical challenge.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find five integers and has identified four, seeking methods to extend this to five. Others question the feasibility of such a set existing and propose algebraic and geometric interpretations of the problem. Some participants discuss specific number properties and relationships, while others seek clarification on notation used in proposed solutions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants offering insights and exploring different interpretations. Some have suggested potential methods for approaching the problem, while others are clarifying terminology and notation. There is no explicit consensus on the existence of a solution or the correctness of proposed methods.

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Participants are navigating complex mathematical concepts, including GCD properties and modular arithmetic. There are also discussions about notation that may affect understanding, particularly regarding the representation of numbers and operations.

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Homework Statement


Do five positive integers exist such that the positive difference between any two is the greatest common divisor of those two numbers?

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I found four such numbers, ##\{6,8,9,12\}##. I did this in an ad hoc way though without any real method. What ways can I attack this problem, given that I've tried to find 5 numbers without much progress?
 
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I don't have a proof, but my guess is, that it is not possible.

Just an idea:
Let ##x,y## be such two numbers. The requirement is then ##x\cdot \mathbb{Z}+y \cdot \mathbb{Z} = (x-y)\cdot \mathbb{Z}## or that there are integers ##\alpha,\beta## such that ##x-y=\alpha x +\beta y##, i.e. ##y=\dfrac{1-\alpha}{1+\beta}x##. Hence we have found a pair ##(x,y)## if we would have found a pair ##(\alpha,\beta)## of integers, such that the quotient ##\dfrac{1-\alpha}{1+\beta} \in \mathbb{Z}##. My idea is to translate the problem into a geometric one. We need five numbers ##\alpha_i## such that ##q_{ij} := \dfrac{1-\alpha_i}{1+\alpha_j} \in \mathbb{Z}##. If we can identify each number with a point on the lattice ##\mathbb{Z}^2## and draw an edge, if ##q_{ij} \in \mathbb{Z}##, then we get a pentagram. Now my idea is, that there can't be such a pentagram in ##\mathbb{Z}^2.## Or we set the pairs ##(\alpha_i,\alpha_j)## as points and show that there cannot be ten of them. Maybe it's also possible to show that given four such numbers, i.e. six pairs, that there cannot be added a fifth integer one by algebraic methods (calculations).
 
I believe I found a solution using five numbers in the range [23.3.5.7.11-24, 23.3.5.7.11].

To arrive at this, I considered how many of the numbers can be odd, how many 2 mod 4, how many 1 mod 3, etc.
 
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Klystron said:
Given this is not my thread or homework assignment, could you please explain the notation of your solution?
I'm having difficulty understanding the list within the square brackets. Thanks.
I mean the range [x-24,x], i.e. from x-24 to x inclusive, where x=23.3.5.7.11.
 
haruspex said:
I mean the range [x-24,x], i.e. from x-24 to x inclusive, where x=23.3.5.7.11.
Are you using periods to denote multiplication? If so, I think that might be the notation Klystron was asking about.
 
The Bill said:
Are you using periods to denote multiplication? If so, I think that might be the notation Klystron was asking about.
Yes. Isn't that standard in number theory?
 
Found a much simpler solution by basing it around 23 and 32.
Using the approach I indicated in post #3, it looks good to start with three consecutive numbers, the middle one being an odd multiple of 3. The other numbers must all be divisible by 4, and at least one divisible by 8.
So we can make a guess like 12, 14, 15, 16, 24.
Clearly 24-14 isn't working, and neither is 24-15. We can add any multiple of 24 to all the numbers without disturbing any of the other relationships. To fix 24-14 we need to make those two multiples of 10, so add 96:
108, 110, 111, 112, 120.
120-111 is still not right. We need to make those divisible by 9 by adding a suitable multiple of 120:
348, 350, 351, 352, 360.
 
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