Finding Highest Energy for Fermions and Bosons in a Box

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The discussion revolves around determining the highest energy states for fermions and bosons placed in a box. The problem specifically involves 12 fermions (electrons and neutrons) and 12 bosons (pi zero bosons and alpha particles), with a focus on how their energy levels are filled according to quantum mechanics principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the Pauli Exclusion Principle for fermions and how it affects the filling of energy levels. Questions arise regarding the nature of the problem and the criteria for identifying the highest energy states.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the filling of energy levels for fermions, noting that the highest energy level for 6 fermions would be n=3. The distinction between fermions and bosons has been raised, with guidance offered on how bosons can occupy the same quantum state.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the problem's complexity, with some questioning whether their interpretations are overly simplistic or if they are missing subtleties in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


a. Electrons and neutrons are fermions. Put 12 of them (6 each) in a box, and determine the n value for the ones with the highest energy.
b. Do the same for 12 bosons (6 are pi zero bosons and 6 are alpha particles).


Homework Equations


En = (h2n2)/(8mL2)


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not even sure how to approach this problem. What is it asking? How do I know which have the highest energy? (Neutrons in general have a higher rest energy than electrons, but I don't know if that's at all relevant.)
My only hunch is that the Pauli Exclusion Principle is involved (like I could have 2 electrons in ground state, 2 in n=2 state, 2 in n=3 state, etc. but that doesn't seem like what the question is asking).
 
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What is special about the way Fermions fill energy levels?
 
Two fermions can't occupy the same quantum state. So if there are 6 electrons the highest energy level would be n=3 (same for the neutrons).
 
So you have just answered question (a).
What is the difference with bosons?
 
Bosons aren't subject to the Pauli Exclusion Principle so they can all occupy the ground state.

I wasn't sure if I was over- or under-thinking the problem, it seemed too easy...
 
I know - it throws you out when it's not something subtle or tricky.
But it's good practice.
 

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