Finding increased length after deformation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical treatment of strain and deformation in a circular material, specifically addressing how to derive the change in length after deformation based on angular strain. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding the relationship between strain, angle, and physical dimensions like radius.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for strain as a function of angle, leading to an integral to find the change in length.
  • Another participant points out that integrating angular strain results in an increase in angle rather than length, suggesting a misunderstanding of the relationship between angle and physical length.
  • A subsequent participant questions the implications of angular strain on the length of the material, pondering if the length of each radian changes relative to the original circumference.
  • Another participant clarifies that the equation does not account for the material being in a hoop shape and suggests using a differential element for segment length to correct this.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of angular strain and its implications for length change, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding how angular strain translates to physical length, particularly regarding the dependence on the radius and the geometry of the material. The mathematical steps leading to the inclusion of radius are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying material deformation, strain analysis, or related mathematical applications in physics and engineering.

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the strain, as a function of the angle is K*sin2(x)

now i know that the change in length is the integral of the strain

=[tex]\int[/tex]K*sin2(x)dx from 0->2pi

=K/2*[tex]\int[/tex]1-cos(2x)dx

=K/2*(2pi - 0.5*sin(4pi) )

=K*pibut the answer says K*pi*R

where does the R come from? i realize that the change in length should be dependent on the radius, but mathematically how do i come to that?
 
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You're working with [itex]\epsilon_\theta[/itex], an angular strain. When you integrate it, you get an increase in angle, not length. Know what I mean?
 
thats what i thought, but what does that mean, are there not still 360 degrees?? does it mean that each radian is now longer than 1/2pi of the circumference of the original circle, sort of like the length of an arc??
 
Right. The equation doesn't know that the material is connected in a hoop. To fix this, use the differential element for segment length, [itex]R\,d\theta[/itex].
 

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